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Are you asking for a viewing because the lady didnt even throw a butt out or are you thinking the photo may show the exact position of the 'offence' and make a difference?
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The question I have been trying to get answered is can I have access under the Freedom of Information Act to a copy or a transcript on this camera.
Any help would be greatly appreciated thank you Details are supplied how you can appeal the decision, do not use the phrase "freedom of information" as that would extend the time they have to let you see the evidence. Appeal as soon as possible as this retains your right to discount if it is settled within 10 days if you think the evidence adequately shows the offence. I would not risk going to court unless you are totally convinced there is no evidence, the costs are disproportionate if the case goes against you.
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Trying to compile a list of "littering offences" not targeted and will ask wirral council and kingdom for clarification.
Throwing paper or rice confetti at wedding
Feeding bread to birds ducks
Throwing chips to seagull
Peanuts to squirrels
Firing a rocket firework into the air
Throwing a stick for the dog and leaving it
Emptying tea or coffee dregs on grass
In fishing throwing maggots. Etc.into the water
Thriwing down sand or grit
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Leaving collection bags on the pavement/sidewalk (tarmack)
Scraping dog muck or chewy off shoe/tyre/child
Champagne cork outside in summer (Toffs/DD)
broken glass after car theft or break in.
flowers/memorabilia left at scene of whatever. (some historic)
Chinese New Year (red riprap mess)
This should get them off the back of the puffers.
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Passed out drunks littering the pavement.
Vomit on pavements.
Empty cans in gutters and garden walls.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn https://ddue.uk
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Leaving collection bags on the pavement/sidewalk Biffa wont be pleased lol. Don't forget leaves from your drive way, ive seen a few people with the blowers, blowing them out on the street.
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Taken from this topic : Click Me Thanks for the information I have already appealed on behalf of the lady unfortunately as I said the result was, we have looked at the body camera, and the enforcement officers have done nothing wrong therefore fine is upheld.
The government states that there is certain procedures they must follow and for them to wait until our friend was in the car and the taxi driver ready to drive off then knock on the car window and ask our friend to get out then start using phrases like £60 to £2,000 fines that causes great stress.
The other issue is the government's guidelines state tickets should not be given to vulnerable people in previous guidelines this was stated as mental health and homeless that guideline has been removed and new guidelines just state's vulnerable, and I think any opinion might see a 74 year old widow as vulnerable. The person who gave me the details of the appeal stated vulnerable was mental health only, not true.
The problem is our friend was upset and confused and her re collection differs to what they say is on the body cam. So another catch yu ? Taxi pulls up, No Smoking in the Taxi, ciggy dropped £80 Fine. I would say a 74r old is Vulnerable. Obviously a Slack Day  Was it a dropped cigarette on the video ?
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THE first prosecutions of people who failed to pay fixed penalty notices handed out as part of Wirral Council’s “zero-tolerance” crackdown on littering have been brought before the courts. An £80 fine issued for dropping litter spiraled in to £370 for 16 people who failed to enter a plea or attend court. In total, 18 cases were dealt with at Wirral Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday, with two people pleading guilty by letter and the other 16 found guilty in their absence. The 16 who failed to enter a plea or attend court were all hit with a fine of £100, as well as being ordered to pay £100 contribution to the council’s prosecution costs, £150 criminal court costs and a £20 victim surcharge. http://wirralglobe.co.ukhttps://www.wirral.gov.uk/news/06-11-2015/court-convicts-18-non-payment-litter-fineThat's not £2,000 pound !!
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this lady does not have the money for this fine But money for fags and taxis?
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Cold,dark wet and windy nights and not much else to do.
Thanks guys for your other littering offences suggestions. I have compiled a list and written (yes paper, envelope and stamp) to Wirral Council, Kingdom and also Keep Britain Tidy for clarifications. Will post up anything of interest
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Double Fine : ?? its possible on a bad day ? You get caught dropping litter  Litter police comes over and issues you a ticket for the fist offence. You disagree and throw his Fix Penalty Notice away !! I guess you will get a double fine in the post..... It always reminds me of Jim Davidson, saying he was caught speeding 3 times with in an hour ! His argument was he never slowed down, so how can you get me 3 times lol. - - - - - So if you have a skip on the street as your having home improvements, does this now qualify as a possible fine if something blows off int to the road ? Or is littering the Human Touch 
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this lady does not have the money for this fine But money for fags and taxis? Its only been over the last few years as relatives are becoming older etc, i understand why they may get a taxi. Its mainly health issues and its that one big shop a week or fortnight. Trying to remain independent for as long as possible. Arthritis, safety, health issues. You will find they do live quite close but just too far to stand at a bus stop. Thats just one possible reason. Not affording the fine but getting a taxi are probably needs must. Smoking well thats a argument, with a thousands for and a thousand against. Personally pensioners should be exempt or dealt with more individually, I think after 70yrs they know the difference of right and wrong and a tap on the shoulder or a letter of explanation would go alot further. Only my thoughts, as this whole subject of £80 fines gets right up my nose 
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A WIRRAL man has spoken of his shock after he was given a £60 fine for littering after a bookmark fell out of his book as he left work in Birkenhead. David Ellis, from Liscard, had just finished his shift at Faiveley Transport on Thursday afternoon when he was handed the fine - which goes up to £80 if it is not paid within 10 days - following what he says was a “genuine accident”. Read More click me So his ticket said discarded cigarette, must be a default setting on the machines. Windy day, should be given the opportunity to pick it up.
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