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#983132 - 12th Sep 2015 12:11am MP's reject Assisted Dying
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I can't believe the vote was 330 against and 118 for.

Over 80% of the public think we should have assisted dying available in the UK.

To force people to suffer when they are at their weakest is a criminal act in my eyes, in fact it is illegal to do this to animals!

I presume some of these MP's will discover their errant judgement in later life. Assisted dying isn't the want of everybody but the choice should be available to all.

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#983137 - 12th Sep 2015 12:44am Re: MP's reject Assisted Dying [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Should have asked the question in the house of lords. They look dead in there anyway.

Im sure it will gain momentum, and it will come up again, and again.
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#983138 - 12th Sep 2015 12:51am Re: MP's reject Assisted Dying [Re: Mark]
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Originally Posted By: Mark
Should have asked the question in the house of lords. They look dead in there anyway.



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Mixed views on this, so no need to say anymore. (for once)
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#983146 - 12th Sep 2015 10:08am Re: MP's reject Assisted Dying [Re: diggingdeeper]
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80% of the public is based on a poll of 5000 from a population of 64 million. I think that is something like 0.006 %, somewhat less than 80%.I feel this to be the slippery slope to allowing assisted dying to be almost the norm just as what happened with abortions.
How good are opinion polls? Witness the general election 2015 opinion polls which made it pretty much between Labour and Conservative.

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#983153 - 12th Sep 2015 11:11am Re: MP's reject Assisted Dying [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Why can't we have a system similar to donor cards, were we can in early life when we are fit and health make the decision that should we ever want assisted dying we can have it. I certainly wouldn't want to just live an existence in the shell that used to be me.

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#983158 - 12th Sep 2015 1:00pm Re: MP's reject Assisted Dying [Re: Mark]
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Originally Posted By: Mark
Should have asked the question in the house of lords. They look dead in there anyway.



The virtually identical bill was debated in the Lords in the last parliament. It got majority support there and only failed to proceed because of lack of time.
I'm disappointed, and quite surprised, by the scale of the defeat in the Commons yesterday; it's a blow to those of us who support the idea of choice.
A law identical to that proposed has been in operation for seventeen years in the state of Oregon, without any indication of a "slippery slope" and the figures are interesting: in 1998, 24 prescriptions were issued and 16 were used, in 2013, 122 prescriptions issued, 71 used. This in a population of just less than 4 million.
It's interesting to note that over the eighteen years, the percentage of those using the prescription compared with the number issued is just 64%. It's the knowledge that one is able to exit if and when one chooses, which is important, and that's exactly the position I'm in; the knowledge that I have what I need in the fridge gives me the freedom to live without fear. I may never use what I have, as is the case with many in Oregon.
It's important that having help to end one's life isn't confused with euthanasia. Euthanasia is when someone, often a doctor, administers a fatal drug. In all the legislation proposed here, and in effect in the American states of Oregon, Washington, Vermont, New Mexico and Montana (and probably soon in California), the person must take the drug unaided. Here's an interesting website:
http://itsnotassistedsuicide.org/
I'll just finish with a quote from one of my favourite works, the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam.
" While the rose blows beside the river brink
With old Khayyam the ruby vintage drink
And when the angel with his darker draught
Draws up to thee--take that and do not shrink."
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#983159 - 12th Sep 2015 1:10pm Re: MP's reject Assisted Dying [Re: Dilly]
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Originally Posted By: Dilly
Why can't we have a system similar to donor cards, were we can in early life when we are fit and health make the decision that should we ever want assisted dying we can have it. I certainly wouldn't want to just live an existence in the shell that used to be me.

My feelings exactly, which is why I've made my own arrangements.

We can take some steps in that direction:
By having an Advance Decision, which is a legally enforceable document, in which you can specify what treatments you will accept or refuse. Information here:
http://compassionindying.org.uk/
And by asking your doctor for a "DNAR"; "Do not attempt resuscitation" which, although not legally enforceable like the Advance Decision will almost certainly be honoured by ambulance staff.
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#983232 - 12th Sep 2015 8:19pm Re: MP's reject Assisted Dying [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Life insurance wouldn't pay up on assisted dying. Making legislation about it would be very difficult to put in place.

I don't buy the religious angle concerning it. Received mailshots from the Christian Institute asking to write to MP to vote against it. Bible says anyway its appointed unto man once to die-so whats the problem if you bring the appointment forward a bit.

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#983268 - 13th Sep 2015 9:35am Re: MP's reject Assisted Dying [Re: diggingdeeper]
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The MPs who voted against deserve a painful ending. You wouldn't let your pets suffer so why let people suffer, bloody crazy in my opinion. I'm getting towards that age myself now and it's not terribly edifying to think about. It's a hard loif.
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#983270 - 13th Sep 2015 10:01am Re: MP's reject Assisted Dying [Re: diggingdeeper]
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I agree with Bandycunt but I don,t think we should expect doctors nurses and other professionals to do it for us.Medical professionals are about saving and extending life. Harold Shipman muddied the waters on this and I think MP,s have this at the back of their minds.I have watched war films when a friend kills a friend to save them from suffering.People who attempt suicide and a team of dedicated medics bring them back to face what they see, as a life not worth living. A very grey area and although I have no respect for MP,s I do respect their dilemma.

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#983271 - 13th Sep 2015 10:17am Re: MP's reject Assisted Dying [Re: dustymclean]
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Originally Posted By: dustymclean
I agree with Bandycunt but I don,t think we should expect doctors nurses and other professionals to do it for us.Medical professionals are about saving and extending life. Harold Shipman muddied the waters on this and I think MP,s have this at the back of their minds.I have watched war films when a friend kills a friend to save them from suffering.People who attempt suicide and a team of dedicated medics bring them back to face what they see, as a life not worth living. A very grey area and although I have no respect for MP,s I do respect their dilemma.
I'll bet Bandy hasn't been
Called that before.

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#983275 - 13th Sep 2015 10:24am Re: MP's reject Assisted Dying [Re: diggingdeeper]
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He has many times!Subliminal blip lets see if he was up to working in the pencil factory.

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