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what about all the money the mp's are fiddling of the tax payers?totally agree benefit cheats should be caught but isn't it just taking the spotlight from all the rich con artists?
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what about all the money the mp's are fiddling of the tax payers?totally agree benefit cheats should be caught but isn't it just taking the spotlight from all the rich con artists? Theres plenty of media scope for them ALL to be got at. I dont think highlighting one type takes away from the other . They all get a pop taken at them from time to time.
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The £100,000000 tax payers money, could go to the NHS couldn't it ? Help stop the moaners about that.
We are talking benefit CHEATS, and not simply benefits or what the governments do or don't do.
Low life ! It doesn't work like that, to attempt to find these cheats and prosecute them would cost more than £100m so we would lose money not gain it, if you imprisoned them it would cost even more! £100m represents 0.06% of the welfare budget a level of unaccounted loss that even the most finicky of banks would be proud of. I believe the figure for departmental mistakes in welfare payments is over 50 times that figure. Not much interested how it works or doesn't work. If someone commits a crime, they are arrested and given the penalties . Your example could be used to exclude many from being brought to account. Are you indicating that crimes other than murder or battery should be allowed to be excluded because the cost of prosecuting costs more than the crime? Neither does it matter who else is doing wrong and getting away with it, so far. Two wrongs never made a right and to use that ideology as an excuse for these people who deliberately fake their abilities is condoning what they do. It's a criminal act and I find certain ideas on this completely ludicrous. If they were illegal immigrants doing the same thing, people wouldn't be quite so convinced that it's an ok sort of thing.
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The majority of crimes and offences are ignored - especially for attempts to burgle an odd numbered house apparently.
It doesn't make it right or even indicate its acceptable, it just isn't cost effective nor in the public's interest to investigate and prosecute everything.
To find all benefit cheats you would have to investigate every single person that claims benefits, this would need to include covert surveillance to identify lifestyle. It would certainly eliminate unemployment with the amount of investigators required.
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There are cases being dealt with, just a matter of time. Fraud is a serious offence ,particularly against the state. Execution probably fits the crime in other countries.
Benefit fraud "Fraud is buried, no one wants to admit it’s going on, and because no one’s really taken hold of it, it’s grown to a point where it’s out of control." - Westminster Fraud Czar Contact me through the benefit fraud website
6 Aug 2015 Light sentence for £32k benefit thief
A benefits cheat has been forced to borrow more than £32,000 from family and friends to pay off money she fraudulently claimed, a court heard.
Tracy Mullins, from Bacup, conned the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) out of the sum after failing to declare she was living with her partner over a six-year period. She enjoyed trips to the Dominican Republic, Jamaica and Tenerife.
At this week’s sentencing the mum-of-two was given an eight-month jail term, suspended for two years, and ordered to pay £600 costs.
Burnley Crown Court heard that she has now repaid all the money after borrowing sums of between £2,000 and £10,000 each from family and friends.
Nick Flanaghan, prosecuting, told the court that she had been claiming income support from 2004 to 2012 on the basis of her illness, inability to work and having no partner in the house. But the court heard that she started living with her partner Steven Mullins from 2006 onwards and failed to inform the DWP.
An investigation later unearthed documents showing the two were living together in the same house, Mr Mullins had a television licence and had given the address to the Land Registry when buying other properties.
Mr Flanagan told the court that Tracy Mullins had owned the house since 2006 after paying £36,000 with no mortgage ‘despite having been in receipt of means-tested benefits for some time’.
The court heard that a bank account and passports were also investigated and revealed a £1,300 trip to Tenerife in 2012 and further trips to Jamaica in 2010 and the Dominican Republic in 2012. Mullins was interviewed twice by police following her arrest in January 2014 and initially denied the offences.
Mullins pleaded guilty to two counts of dishonestly failing to notify the DWP of a change in circumstances affecting her entitlement to benefits including income support and one count of dishonestly failing to disclose information.
Keith Harrison, defending, said: “She has borrowed money from at least five family members or close associates so she is not escaping scot-free.”
Judge Andrew Woolman said: “All of the money has been repaid and there are not many benefit fraud cases where that can be said.”
Source No comments: Labels: assets benefit fraud, light benefit fraud sentence, single person benefit fraud
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I know we have MPs fiddling the system, the expense scandal showed us that. Yes keep on exposing them as well. These scumbag benefit cheats though so brazen and conniving. Using dead babies identitys to scrounge more money,absolutley sickening. They are just laughing and putting two fingers up to hardworking people who pay their taxes to pay these wastrels . I say get more fraud squads on the streets and when found out give em nothing but just vouchers for food and utilities. That's being generous, they'd get nothing in other countries.
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Perhaps we should have local cheat exposing posses for the small stuff. (TIC) Take the pressure off the Govt fraud dept.It would work like bounty hunting .We could start with our local MP's and work down. Honest/hardworking folk are so riled by the injustice of cheating , they would probably do it for next to nothing. Members could then choose which good cause, the saved amounts could go to. Cools, Granny - you wanna be in my posse? NB. TIC (before I get a virtual lashing lol)
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I think they would outwit us Venice, we don't think like they do.i do like your fraud posse idea though. Maybe the ones that get caught should become the hunters and before they get any legal benefits again would have to reveal all the scams and tricks that go on. Put them to work!
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I know we have MPs fiddling the system, the expense scandal showed us that. Yes keep on exposing them as well. These scumbag benefit cheats though so brazen and conniving. Using dead babies identitys to scrounge more money,absolutley sickening. They are just laughing and putting two fingers up to hardworking people who pay their taxes to pay these wastrels . I say get more fraud squads on the streets and when found out give em nothing but just vouchers for food and utilities. That's being generous, they'd get nothing in other countries. This is why the government is clamping down on tax credits & child benefits because of people like this
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I know we have MPs fiddling the system, the expense scandal showed us that. Yes keep on exposing them as well. These scumbag benefit cheats though so brazen and conniving. Using dead babies identitys to scrounge more money,absolutley sickening. They are just laughing and putting two fingers up to hardworking people who pay their taxes to pay these wastrels . I say get more fraud squads on the streets and when found out give em nothing but just vouchers for food and utilities. That's being generous, they'd get nothing in other countries. This is why the government is clamping down on tax credits & child benefits because of people like this ....and that Star, is precisely the reason they are 'low life'. They cannot see that their actions affect so many others and apart from being crooks, they have no regard for anyone else but themselves.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
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