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chriskay #957239 5th Aug 2015 2:55am
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Originally Posted by chriskay
What's the point of manufacturing waste paper?

None whatsoever, job description should have read:- create loads of meaningless reports then file under WPB


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Originally Posted by chriskay
What's the point of manufacturing waste paper?


laffin


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I see Corbyn is still talking politics and the rest of the Labour party and especially the other candidates are talking Corbyn and how to fiddle democracy to stop him winning.

If they want to compete against Corbyn, all they have to do is be straight, say what they think and come up with finite proposals over their ideas for a budget etc. The country are fed up with politicians that keep everything secret, say things to get elected, then make sure them and their mates are still getting rich at the Country's expense.

The behaviour of most senior politicians is so much like Yes Minister its almost like Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn had a crystal ball back in 1979.


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Noticing how the 'other three' are now posing with grins as wide as the cheshire cat. Must have been given a bit of guidance in how to present themselves.

Corbyn, although not a fan of his ideas, has to be the easiest to listen too, presents himself as the one with the most experience/maturity (as he is) and not getting panicky like the others are. They seem to be shaking with rage whilst practicing calming techniques. They aren't worth a dime anyway. Just dummies for the ventriloquists.



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Do they actually realise the harm they are doing to themselves and the Labour party? by the very act of trying to manipulate the voting process they are showing themselves to be devious and untrustworthy( I know these are the top qualities for politicians)how can anybody put faith in them? if the membership votes for Corbyn then that is who they want, and any plans to scupper that is therefore undemocratic, the you can pick any leader as long as its not Corbyn, lets face it he cant do any worse than the last lot and appeals to a growing number of people.

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Its all about "getting in power" for too many politicians - that isn't politics, that is greed. Corbyn is showing a breath of fresh air just like Farage did, the population is getting desperate for any open politician.

One of the others will be bribed to back out to swing the vote.

With the Labour Party system they can't even offer them deputy leader so it will probably be knighthood, House of Lords or some way over-paid position.


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Is this the type of question dodging you mean DD ?

She has a craft .

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Over-defensive isn't she which does absolutely nothing for trust.

She ought to go on a salesmanship course, the first thing you do is agree, then you talk it down afterwords.

eg "Yes, we have the highest level of household debt but we also have the highest level of non-wooden home ownership, these are assets that balance a large proportion of the debt"

Using that technique if she gets interrupted early then she can legitimately point out that she has answered the question and deserves an opportunity to explain the impact of the answer.

She knew the answer but was too busy being instinctively defensive first and foremost, appalling!


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It's all very well talking about manipulating the voting process, but the majority of that has been done by people who don't want Labour ever to get into power who have signed up as "Labour supporters" in order to vote for Corbyn, knowing that with him as leader, Labour has less prospect of winning an election than Michael Foot had when he became leader in 1980. As happened to him, I expect that, assuming Corbyn wins, his tenure will be short.


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The process was put into place by the Labour party now things are not going as planned they want to call foul they put Corbyn up, why are you so sure that Corbyn won't last long Chris? who would have thought the Tories would have gained a majority? people have grown weary of the same old politics they want something different the whole system needs changing bringing into the 21st century, do away with the old boys clubs and the men in tights banging on doors, lets see the country run for the benefit of the people and not the politicians, look back at the scandals paedo gangs ,thieves, perverting the course of justice, we must be mad to put up with it, beginning to feel sorry for Guy Fawkes.

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This new voting system was introduced to coincide with the current leadership election in an effort to encourage a more open and democratic contest


There is evidence to suggest the political landscape in Britain is shifting and Corbyn's recent success could be accredited to his core message connecting with an electorate to whom the "centre ground" no longer appeals.

The support for Corbyn could signal a shift not only for the Labour Party but for the way in which party politics works in Britain.

The world has changed, there's no question about it. We have to learn from countries in continental Europe who have multi-party systems.

"The success of UKIP and the SNP show there is discontentment with the status quo and an appetite for new ideas. A lot of people inside the Westminster bubble are yet to catch up with this


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Just had a thought, how would the Tories like it if the Labour party were in power and they banned directorships and disallowed funds from big business and the holding of dinner with Dave and reduced the Tory seats in England, I think the first words would be not democratic and you cant do that, oh yes we can we have a majority so suck it up, because basically that is what they are doing riding roughshod because they can.

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Originally Posted by casper
why are you so sure that Corbyn won't last long Chris?


I didn't say I was sure, it's just what I expect to happen, simply because the majority of Labour politicians think that the country isn't ready for a Marxist government: those who proposed him are now kicking themselves and are being condemned by their colleagues (easy to be wise after the event). I just don't think he can last.


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Sorry Corbyn lives on Planet Utopia, not going to happen!

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