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#952436 - 24th Jun 2015 8:56pm The rot in Rotherham
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In the News today, the police say there are up to 3,000 suspects in the child grooming and child abuse scandal, the former labour government of Tony Blair is accused of playing down criminality and extremism among British Muslims for fear of undermining community cohesion and the fear of riots and that Derby, Oldham and Rochdale are also part of the investigations, lets hope the truth will prevail and that ordinary people can speak out about their concerns without being labelled as bigots and racists.

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#952441 - 24th Jun 2015 9:11pm Re: The rot in Rotherham [Re: casper]
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be careful casper you no who will on in a minute saying its not them they made it up muslims would never do that,yes they would and have for years dirty old goats

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#952474 - 24th Jun 2015 10:31pm Re: The rot in Rotherham [Re: casper]
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Any bets on how long this thread will last before it's expunged? " Je suis Charlie "

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#952489 - 25th Jun 2015 1:10am Re: The rot in Rotherham [Re: casper]
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These 'current affairs' topics will always be susceptible to being removed because people opinions differ and some get personal. Surely to remove the 'Personal Insults' only and not the whole topic, is a better option. These topics need to be discussed and opinions vented, otherwise 'gagging' breeds stronger feelings of negative proportions and that's not healthy for anyone.

There are a certain group of people who have no scruples or values with regard to our culture, and that has to be accepted, it's not racial discrimination. The discrimination is towards the children who were sexually abused and the guilty should not be allowed to get away with it, whatever background they come from.


In response to Rotherham, Derby, Oldham, it's amazing that no child or principles with concerns within the child care homes, was ever listened to. The incidents involved and those reported to the police, would seem to have been part of a systematic process of being ignored (or hidden) and there has to be massive repercussions for that alone but for some reason, any subsequent enquiries would appear to be on a 'go slow'. It first came to light in 2010...any who could have played any part in a 'cover-up' will be dead or suffering from dementia and unable to be accountable.

3000 suspects would indicate that it involves the whole country. For that to continue for so long, involving so many including taxi companies and drivers etc. etc. they are all as guilty as each other.

A horrible ,vile crime and if it had involved children from outside the care home system , the response would have been very different. For those children who have already suffered enough, their lives would appear not to be of any importance in our , 'oh so caring society' . We seem to be able to care for just about anyone from any background or culture, apart from our own children.

Pardon me for using the word 'hate' but that is the emotion I feel toward Tony Blair and his stupid, personal principles, that have led to so much trauma and ruined lives for so many. When is he going to be taken to task ?


Edited by granny (25th Jun 2015 1:15am)
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#952497 - 25th Jun 2015 8:01am Re: The rot in Rotherham [Re: granny]
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take a look at private hire & taxi monthly i get it every month from the town hall been getting it for 14 years but you can read online,the amount of rapes in derby and surrounding boroughs is unreal and you guessed it 99.9% are wait for it are Muslims,they think its ok so it must be

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#952498 - 25th Jun 2015 8:01am Re: The rot in Rotherham [Re: casper]
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Sorry must amend my original post the figure that should have been given is 300 not 3,000 the 3000 pertains to offences against victims

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#952536 - 25th Jun 2015 11:19am Re: The rot in Rotherham [Re: casper]
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Sadly its nothing new. In Sheffield, there are two things which used to be the topic of discussion - blind eyes turned by traffic wardens to parked cars on double yellow lines in an ethnic area (Fir Vale) and outside mosques.

And there's a public green space in the centre of town called the Peace Gardens (its the site of a bombed church). There were gangs of Eastern Europeans who used to chat up and harass women and girls there. But nothing was ever done. Nowadays that "harassment" would be considered grooming.

These topics were frequently discussed on a website similar to this one for Sheffield, but anyone who dared to criticise was labelled a racist.

Here's the discussion threads, the parking one from 2010, the other from way back in 2005.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=653407

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=44145

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#952657 - 26th Jun 2015 7:14am Re: The rot in Rotherham [Re: casper]
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Read the reports from Prof Alexis Jay, and instances reported by Risky Business, they make disturbing reading, this abuse was so deep rooted and with the collusion of the authorities who if you read between the lines protected the gangs of abusers and rapists, and as granny said by the time any action is taken the guilty will be either dead or suffering from some form of illness or will have disappeared into their rat holes in Pakistan, these kids were looked on by both the authorities and the abusers as white trash who asked for what they got (talk about discrimination!)and the ruination of their young lives was a price worth paying to keep our Muslim friends happy.

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#952701 - 26th Jun 2015 1:20pm Re: The rot in Rotherham [Re: casper]
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The Oxford grooming sex case went on from the 1990's but it seemed to take years for them to be convicted.

One persons testimony written on the link that was posted by Gibbo, of herself and her children being constantly pestered in a public place, is evidence of different cultural backgrounds. Having visited many Mediterranean countries and a number of North African and Middle Eastern Countries and although it was many years ago, the behaviour was the same. They are like bloody flies, keep pestering and coming back again and again. Strangely enough, never to their own, only white girls.
If the same applied in this country involving white guys, you can guarantee that they would be subject to arrest on grounds of harassment, stalking, pestering, aggravating behaviour or 1 of 100 other reasons.
It's simply not acceptable, and those who follow such behavioural patterns which can be threatening to children, need to be told and no mistake. It's similar to the attitude of the migrants waiting at Calais, and a video watched on Brick Lane (if anyone knows of it), 'we can do anything here' is the message as they piddle up against the walls in broad day light. Another thing that makes me wonder, have all these men abandoned their wives and children back home ? It would appear to be that way.
I would be happier if we could see the faces of the women too, or make it the next fashion point and we can all wear the Niqab as it's not a necessary item for them, just something they are trying to make a statement with. Only very strict Arab countries follow that rule and if those who wear it here are very strict followers, then we should be very worried !
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#952706 - 26th Jun 2015 1:52pm Re: The rot in Rotherham [Re: casper]
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We can't show our faces, but we can show FLESH ! shocked

Just going to order a costume from Ebay





Edited by granny (26th Jun 2015 1:55pm)
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#952714 - 26th Jun 2015 3:34pm Re: The rot in Rotherham [Re: casper]
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With their remarkably unprepossessing physiognomy, perhaps we should be grateful they normally keep themselves covered.

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#952736 - 26th Jun 2015 11:14pm Re: The rot in Rotherham [Re: casper]
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Where are the strong messages from the religious leaders stating categorically that terror has absolutely no place in their religion?

The Pope never excommunicated one member of the IRA.

The Islamic leaders have not sufficiently denounced any terrorist.

Abu Hamza (the hook) made himself heard enough - where is the equivalent effort from the "good" religious leaders? The occasional softly-softly approach without showing total and unequivocal abhorrence - they need to show their disgust!

I would hope if there was a Protestant terrorist uprising then not only would it be strongly denounced but individuals would be named by the leaders as not belonging to the faith in the loudest voice possible.

I think they are too worried about losing their power-base.
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#952751 - 27th Jun 2015 7:56am Re: The rot in Rotherham [Re: diggingdeeper]
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I see David Cameron is also making excuses, not all Muslims are terrorists, he is missing the point, he fails to accept in stating the obvious that as a religion the terrorism and violence is being done in the name of that religion and is not being condemned by the moderates who sit back and say yes but that's not proper Islam, so do we have two Muslim faiths?

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#952773 - 27th Jun 2015 11:50am Re: The rot in Rotherham [Re: casper]
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As Islam does not have one outright leader, yes it has got separate factions and quite a strong independence across different countries.

To me I see that as an advantage as more leaders can speak out independently with an even stronger voice against terrorism.

At the end of the day, we did interfere, if foreign countries were bombing my land without our agreement I would expect us to rise up against them. So contrary to what I said above, why aren't the Protestant leaders spitting teeth at every opportunity when we are attacking other countries.

The very people who are supposed to be looking after the moralistic well being of the human race are not doing their job!

The political leaders are not behaving themselves, the religious leaders are doing virtually nothing, it is almost like they have a pact to encourage terrorism - why would this be?
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#952901 - 28th Jun 2015 11:00am Re: The rot in Rotherham [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Good points dd, the government is now saying it is safe to travel to Tunisia although there remains the danger of further attacks, and the Tunisian government has beefed up security ( but not according to people on the ground there) so tourists in other resorts who want to fly home now must pay for the flights themselves, the Tunisians are wringing there hands and saying because of massive unemployment for the young, they have become prime recruits for Isis, and that Europe needs to pour money in to help fund employment, maybe me being cynical but it sounds a little bit like blackmail, as to our government they now appear to be sitting on the fence and appeasing Tunisia by now declaring it safe, but still open to attack.

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