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Why do farmers still have the need to control foxes ?
I am quite sure, that if there wasn't a need, farmers would still not be going to the expense or the bother of hunting them . (because they're tight so and so's)
Generations of farmers seem to know their land better than we do, and how to run it best. What would worry me, is that if laws become more restricted, they could easily turn to traps because they will get rid of Mr. Fox, no matter what our ignorant opinions are.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
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Forgot to say, foxes can also contaminate cattle with the diseases they can carry particularly foot and mouth. If they get out of control in numbers it would be an almost impossible task to resolve. Remember the last outbreak of that ? Millions of animals slaughtered. Apparently the stench of burning carcasses was dreadful. At the end of the day, farming is a business and to take the risk of all your stock being struck off, is probably something that nobody would be happy with ? If you run a business, then you can understand .
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
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Haven't all the foxes moved to the city now? Will be good to see the Cheshire Hunt riding down Cleveland Street!
As for the "return of fox hunting", its quite simple - lobby your MP to vote against the bill.
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Why do artificially constructed fox dens get put in place by hunt helpers? To make sure foxes stay in the areas the hunt members find attractive to ride in.
Why do farmers put up with the hunts even though they trample crops sometimes ? No , its not that the hounds catch REALLY helpful numbers of foxes , as the hunts will tell you, most get away 'safely' ---its that the hunts very conveniently relieve the farmers of the task of paying the meat man to come and take away carcases of fallen stock , a service which he otherwise would have to pay for . Free meat for the hounds .
Yes DD foxes DO fall for humane traps. Wirral Council provided them for Wirral fox group at one time, and foxes were regularly caught that way.
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I love foxes, we have 2/3 that visit our garden each night.
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Its like the badgers issue Not stopping the root issue . Just kill everything at the end. It costs more to shoot them than vaccinate yet its not just them that transmits disease . Id start a new sport shooting toss pots on horses riding in packs 20 mins head start, chase em on motorbikes . Live stream it on the net. Be cool ha ha. Sound bad? Barbaric ?The irony...
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Foxes are beautiful sentient beings like all natures expressions of life.... Leave em the f**k alone.!!
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Its like the badgers issue Not stopping the root issue . Just kill everything at the end. It costs more to shoot them than vaccinate yet its not just them that transmits disease . Id start a new sport shooting toss pots on horses riding in packs 20 mins head start, chase em on motorbikes . Live stream it on the net. Be cool ha ha. Sound bad? Barbaric ?The irony... Nah, let them run until they are exhausted/ beyond exhausted.
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Set up a fox refuge in some unused bank: they couldn't make a worse mess than certain humans.
Carpe diem.
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Set up a fox refuge in some unused bank: they couldn't make a worse mess than certain humans. It would keep the metal thieves out as well as rats.
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Foxes are beautiful sentient beings like all natures expressions of life.... Leave em the f**k alone.!! I hate hearing about things like fox hunting,badger hunting,deer hunting its sick. It should not be allowed. It is cruel. Another one is not as much as a sport but for pure entertainment,and that is ......dog fighting or watching 2 or 3 dogs rip a cat in bits. It is really sick.
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Ironically, whilst sorting out years of accumulated rubbish yesterday, I came across an old newspaper, going back to 1997 about the Countryside Alliance march against the proposed ban on fox hunting. I think there were about 250,000 marching on Westminster. It wasn't a national newspaper, but it did cover all the worthy news and interviews with supporters. Amazingly, the interviews all seemed to ring of one thing......'it will spoil our tradition, what will be next ?' Not all were in those exacts words, but similar with the same inference behind them.
Maybe foxes should be reclassified in England and Wales, as something other than vermin.
The one that poked his nose into my kitchen a couple of years ago, looked pretty mangey (sp ?) and tatty.
Many different methods used for fox control worldwide. Australia poisons them, where as Wirral Borough Council use traps ! (is that for real)? I understood that Councils play no part in controlling them, other than giving advice.
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The council traps are cage traps, the animal is entrapped alive and physically unharmed however non-locking snares are still legal. I'm not sure the council, provide traps any longer, I think you get refereed to rent-a-kill or similar pest control companies.
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Just as shaun monson shows us in his doc "earthlings" we divide by form. One animal is cute .a pet. Other is vermin dirty or food. We do it to each other. "Youre the in group;and were the out group" This is the essence of meaningless religion.youre ok theyre not ok. Not accepted . Yes foxes attack lambs . Spread infection. Its the natural order. Kill them but instantly humanely. Not for thrills. Ironically a farmer wants rid of em so his lambs grow up for food. Irony. A circle. Theres no more a destructive evil selfish war mongering dirty animal than the human. We make £ money out of animals as much as we can.....food clothing sport research as shaun showed us.
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Sven ,understood all of your points, and as true as some of the thinking behind them is, I would like you to explain how we would have managed to get so far on this planet without the processes of evolution, or the ability to sit on top of a hill and chew turnip sprouts, whilst planning our next strategic operation of self preservation from those wild animals down below.
Unfortunately, your ideal world is not a viable proposition any longer, but would certainly agree that the many who are strongly opposed to Fox Hunting, should maybe look at their own diet and the process of how it ends up from farm to the table in front of them. Hanging a cow upside down or putting a pig still alive in boiling water is far worse than a fox being hunted and remember, eating meat is also for our pleasure as we don't need it!
There has to be two channels of thought on this subject for everyone.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
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