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I see we have another Benefit Street programme on TV starting Monday, horrendous !! Progs like that and the Jeremy Kyles and what they depict is what have drawn people to conservative. I know they show the very worst but let's face we all know people like that and I ,m sorry but working people are getting really fed up of it and want things to change. And I know it's not everybody but there is a great many just want to be given everything on a plate.....

I would assume a large part is going towards 'getting the deficit down', but don't really know ? Try FOI

Yeah Snowy I quite agree. It's so sad to see these people and we know we would do the same if in their situation but it's got to stop , misery all round. Too soft this country!

On immigration, I don't think the buck stops with us. Didn't Mrs Merkel (her again) tell Mr Cameron last year, that if he wasn't in agreement with her and continued the argument about controlling immigration to UK , then she might not support Britain's membership of the EU. (something like that).
So , that's a good enough reason to leave. Goodness knows what any of them will come up with as a resolving situation, but the migrants keep on coming and discussions seem to have quietened down again.
I would have thought that a better way would be to allocate each migrant to a different EU country. 28 countries could have an even share, no matter how wealthy or poor they are. Not to be given the ability to travel around to other EU countries. That might save some coming across as they may not see Romania or Bulgaria as a particularly good prospect. At the same time the Eurozone should pump more money into each of those economies for help with creating jobs etc. Romania and Bulgaria are living off the rest of us anyway. Let them get on the road to recovery. These migrants know the rules, they know they are behaving illegally, and they know what their plans are before starting their journey. So, with that in mind they should not all be treated as stupid ,uneducated pawns in greater game, they are not. It's their own game that they wish to gamble on.
Some very sad cases but not all, by a long shot, are running away from their own country and seeking refuge elsewhere due to war ?
All I see is another generation facing modern day slavery for these people or living in camps for the next so many years.
It always amazes me HOW the people from such poor countries, manage to raise enough money to pay the people trafficker. They earn much, much less than we do, i.e. if they earn anything at all, and it would take us a fare while to raise the funds. Are they being helped like the Vietnamese boat people were, all those years ago, which was basically ethnic cleansing by their own government.

Just an opinion which could be wrong and questionable. Even so, Mrs Merkel would seem to be pulling the noose at this moment in time.

So isn't the deficit the difference between the cost of something and the return from the same thing. E.g. a car cost £5000 to make, sells at a loss for £3000, = deficit of £2000. Therefore the borrowing is £2000 against the national debt ?

We also have to take into consideration the cost to us of the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Libya and any intervention elsewhere. Battle doesn't come cheap, in weaponry or lives and that must have increased the national debt by a massive amount. There's no return on that is there ?

Yes Casper I am sympathetic and feel sorry for the genuine people who find themselves on benefits fir all sorts of reasons but unfortunatlely the system has been overrun by all the shirkers and cheats who abuse the benefits and proudly boast if it. I don't agree with zero hours that should be stopped.

As of 2013, UK Afghanistan war alone cost have been calculated as £37bn