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#934057 - 14th Mar 2015 5:56pm NHS or PHS
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Cameron has sold the some of the NHS to his failing buddies.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-sell-out-tories-sign-largest-5323402
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#934065 - 14th Mar 2015 6:40pm Re: NHS or PHS [Re: diggingdeeper]
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#934080 - 14th Mar 2015 9:34pm Re: NHS or PHS [Re: diggingdeeper]
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If only real life were as humerous as Rudes' video, this sell-off is a travesty.

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#934081 - 14th Mar 2015 9:45pm Re: NHS or PHS [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Got to vote out the lying, self serving Tory Scum.
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#934083 - 14th Mar 2015 10:19pm Re: NHS or PHS [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Not sure if it's a sell out. The way I see it is the funding which would go to the NHS for operations, is covering the cost of patients who are being treated in private hospitals.

That would be the same as I had two years ago. An eye operation, and had I been sent to Arrowe Park it meant I could have waited up to 18 months. Instead , I was sent to a private hospital and was treated on the NHS within 4 weeks. The crossover makes complete sense if the waiting times can be reduced. Basically, the difference is, which building you attend. Doctors doing private operations also do NHS operations, so does it really matter where ?
Can't see a problem with that idea.
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#934085 - 14th Mar 2015 10:29pm Re: NHS or PHS [Re: diggingdeeper]
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#934086 - 14th Mar 2015 10:31pm Re: NHS or PHS [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Wouldn't it have been better to build up the NHS to clear these backlogs rather than throw the money to companies who have already shown incompetence and take a substantial cut out of that money as profit. This way, if and when the backlogs are cleared then they will have additional resources to prevent future backlogs.

The private companies aren't going to magically "produce" new surgeons etc, these people already exist and the NHS could employ them direct.

Next time you have a private operation or consultancy at 2 o'clock in the afternoon, knowing full well that the surgeon is the same one you meet in the NHS, ask yourself why this guy not busy doing NHS work at this time of day????
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#934087 - 14th Mar 2015 10:32pm Re: NHS or PHS [Re: RUDEBOX]
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It's not profit ! It's the same cost as it would be on the NHS !!!!! It costs a damn site more if someone pays privately.
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#934088 - 14th Mar 2015 10:35pm Re: NHS or PHS [Re: diggingdeeper]
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#934091 - 14th Mar 2015 10:44pm Re: NHS or PHS [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Strange point of view DD .The surgeons n the private sector are employed by the company they work for. The private patients obviously get priority, that's what private healthcare is about.
When the doctors are engaged with the NHS, they perform the treatment under NHS scheme, and I assume they are freelance to do that,if they have time on their hands that's what they do. If they do not have time on their hands, then they cannot do. If we had more trained doctors in this country then maybe the crisis would not have happened, but it has because we have a lack of qualified surgeons etc.
As happens I did not have a private consultancy and you read the wrong meaning into my post. I went to an optician who treats anyone and everyone, not private.
You cannot tell people who they should work for, and if these consultants/ surgeons wish to be employed by another company , that is their choice. Not only that, they also move from one end of the country to the other doing the same as most of them are top people in the area of expertise.

Can't understand why you think they should only be working only for the NHS.

Plus, if the NHS hospitals don't have enough operating theatres, then why not use the ones that are available? There were about 20 people having eye operations on the same day as myself, all on the national health. That could have meant another 20 people building up the backlog of Arrowe Park.


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#934094 - 14th Mar 2015 10:50pm Re: NHS or PHS [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Originally Posted By: diggingdeeper
Wouldn't it have been better to build up the NHS to clear these backlogs rather than throw the money to companies who have already shown incompetence and take a substantial cut out of that money as profit. This way, if and when the backlogs are cleared then they will have additional resources to prevent future backlogs.

The private companies aren't going to magically "produce" new surgeons etc, these people already exist and the NHS could employ them direct.

Next time you have a private operation or consultancy at 2 o'clock in the afternoon, knowing full well that the surgeon is the same one you meet in the NHS, ask yourself why this guy not busy doing NHS work at this time of day????
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#934100 - 14th Mar 2015 11:15pm Re: NHS or PHS [Re: RUDEBOX]
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So I assume that your point is that empty operating theatres are a good idea because otherwise it might mean someone having an NHS operation in a different hospital ? I also assume, you would be happy to go to Aintree Hospital, Broadgreen Hospital, Liverpool Royal, Clatterbridge, The Women's Hospital, Countess of Chester because they are NHS hospitals, but not a hospital which is privately owned even though there is space and ops are done on the national health.

That is a particularly, peculiar idea confused
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#934107 - 14th Mar 2015 11:50pm Re: NHS or PHS [Re: diggingdeeper]
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The majority of consultants that work in private hospitals are the same same consultants that work for the NHS.

If there is a shortage of operating theatres, you need to build more, the problem is not going to go away by avoiding the issue.

Many private hospitals do not have crash teams, their idea of backup when things go wrong is to dial 999 and you get ambulanced to the nearest NHS hospital (if you don't believe me, phone and ask).
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#934108 - 15th Mar 2015 12:08am Re: NHS or PHS [Re: diggingdeeper]
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I do know certain private hospital don't have resuscitation units, but fewer operations are now giving general anaesthetics, relying more on spinal injections when they can, even for hip replacements. I already stated that the private consultants also work in the NHS and they can perform their operations where is available. That is not the issue.

The fact is, at the moment anyone can go and have treatment in a private hospital under the NHS scheme. Is that so bad ??

Maybe you think an 80yr old person living on their own with no sight should be made to wait another 18 months to 2 yrs for an operation which can transform their lives and who would probably end up in a care home, which would cost even more. Or a child who is unable to lead an active life of a child for the next 18 months to 2yrs because they are hindered by a the wait for a relatively minor operation, which doesn't have to include general anaesthetic.

As stated ,many of the consultants who are employed by the private practices, work in the NHS,but also give lectures, and attend conferences at the Royal College of Surgeons, plus a lot more. Maybe they simply don't do enough !
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#934110 - 15th Mar 2015 12:21am Re: NHS or PHS [Re: diggingdeeper]
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