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#933064 - 9th Mar 2015 11:44pm Which Woodchurch?
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I have been told that the attached photo is not Woodchurch, Wirral but Woodchurch, Ashford, Kent. Having spoken to an admin member of an Ashford local History group, he has no knowledge of this post office. I have since found out that there is another Woodchurch in Kent but someone (originally from the Wirral) who now lives near this one (Isle of Thanet) assures me that it isn't a photo of that Woodchurch.


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#933065 - 10th Mar 2015 12:58am Re: Which Woodchurch? [Re: andym]
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Difficult call if the building isn't extant.

This has been listed on ebay as Woodchurch near Ashford, however I strongly doubt that. While Ashford had some old sandstone buildings, Woodchurch (Kent) appeared to have none apart from the church.

I think it looks "right" for Wirral, similar sandstone building were everywhere, castellations weren't unusual, indeed the wall around the Arrowe Park Hotel is still a castellated sandstone wall.

The other Woodchurch (Birchingston-on-sea) appears to be just an area named after a farm and wouldn't have been big enough to support a post office, it didn't even grow much when RAF Manston was built literally beside it. Again its not a sandstone area.
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#933067 - 10th Mar 2015 2:17am Re: Which Woodchurch? [Re: andym]
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Church Lane Woodchurch Wirral has
sandstone walls with some parts having
similar castellations. See Google Earth:-


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#933071 - 10th Mar 2015 2:47am Re: Which Woodchurch? [Re: andym]
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I have sent an email to the guy who sold a copy of this postcard on ebay asking if he had any local knowledge of its where abouts but I won't hold my breath waiting for a reply. It may be worh contacting The British Postal Museum & Archive
Freeling House, Phoenix Place, London WC1X 0DL
Tel: + 44 (0)20 7239 2570
Email: info@postalheritage.org.uk

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#933075 - 10th Mar 2015 5:13am Re: Which Woodchurch? [Re: andym]
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I'm pretty sure it's "our" Woodchurch. I remember the building was still there until the Woodchurch Estate was under construction. It was in Pool Lane. It was in my roaming territory when a youngster. A fair distance down on the RH side after leaving the junction with Arrow Park Road. Pool Lane originally went past the church and joined Woodchurch Road at the bend at bottom of the hill.

A lad in my class at Prenton Primary, David Wilkinson (Wilko) lived in that house. Not sure if it was still a P.O. or not then. I don't remember the ivy though. Maybe Bert could trawl his records and maps on this ?

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#933077 - 10th Mar 2015 6:38am Re: Which Woodchurch? [Re: ]
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The maps below, 1894/1938 put the Post Office in Church Lane, close to what is now the Arrowe Park Hotel, marked Horse & Jockey on map. The 1911 census describes the building having 4 rooms, not including Kitchens, halls, landings, etc. The building in the photo doesn't appear to have 4 rooms but the building just in view behind could make it up to 4.


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#933082 - 10th Mar 2015 8:13am Re: Which Woodchurch? [Re: andym]
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Further searching of ebay threw up another copy of this postcard from a seller in Chester. Item number 251780748837 which ended 14th January 2015. The title of the item was 'postcard woodchurch Birkenhead post office'. I believe the possible error of location may stem from the first seller placing it nr Ashcroft, Kent. This is likely because being from the south it might be the only woodchurch he was aware of. On the back of one of the cards sold was inscribed "Uncle Edwin's post office" if that's of help to any local historians. Then again, its always possible our man from Chester has put it in the wrong location for the same reasons as above!


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#933083 - 10th Mar 2015 8:29am Re: Which Woodchurch? [Re: andym]
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Thank you all for the fascinating information. Can't believe how quickly people answered. I bought the photo yesterday on e-bay believing it was on the Wirral and not Ashford, Kent as stated. I have 2 more photos, one of which has a Birkenhead postmark. To my untrained eye they do look very similar to my original photo.


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#933084 - 10th Mar 2015 8:30am Re: Which Woodchurch? [Re: GeeMeister]
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Post master, 1911, Edwin Pownall,

Good find Gee,
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#933085 - 10th Mar 2015 8:34am Re: Which Woodchurch? [Re: bert1]
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fascinating map, thank you

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#933089 - 10th Mar 2015 8:39am Re: Which Woodchurch? [Re: andym]
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Edwin Pownall is recorded in Directories as Postmaster and as Tailor in the 1911 census.


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#933092 - 10th Mar 2015 8:41am Re: Which Woodchurch? [Re: bert1]
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Bert1, that's great, thanks.

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#933093 - 10th Mar 2015 8:41am Re: Which Woodchurch? [Re: andym]
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Being a dimwit, ive not phathomed how to add images yet. Take a look at the ebay link i posted a little earlier. The post card looks the same but closer inspection shows its from an earlier year. There are no leaves on the trees and no postbox on the corner wall. The seller states its Birkenhead. Thanks Bert1.


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#933098 - 10th Mar 2015 8:53am Re: Which Woodchurch? [Re: GeeMeister]
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Hopefully this worked.


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#933099 - 10th Mar 2015 8:53am Re: Which Woodchurch? [Re: andym]
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And this photo appears to show the same building closer to the church than bert1's map. I'm confused.


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