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#924896  1st Feb 2015 9:52am
Pupils ' must know times tables by 11'

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk31079515Good grief! It was the norm to know your times tables when you left primary school, sixty years ago. All the messing about with the education system, by all political parties, seems to have resulted in retrograde steps.

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#924922  1st Feb 2015 11:48am
Re: Pupils ' must know times tables by 11'
[Re: Bizzybee1]

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Registered: 27th Dec 2007
Posts: 322
Loc: Wirral

As decimalisation came in 1971, I can't see why they need to go further than 10 x 10 though.

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#924953  1st Feb 2015 3:36pm
Re: Pupils ' must know times tables by 11'
[Re: philmch]

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Registered: 4th Jan 2014
Posts: 658
Loc: Wirral

As decimalisation came in 1971, I can't see why they need to go further than 10 x 10 though. I see your point but not everything comes in bundles of ten.

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#925792  5th Feb 2015 2:04am
Re: Pupils ' must know times tables by 11'
[Re: Bizzybee1]

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We had to know up to 12 X tables by the time we were 8.
By 11 we had to be able to divide £31114d by £2138d or similar but I don't think I could do it now without blowing the last few brain cells.
Decimalization came too late for me.

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#925796  5th Feb 2015 8:57am
Re: Pupils ' must know times tables by 11'
[Re: Bizzybee1]

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Registered: 20th May 2011
Posts: 582
Loc: Greasby

I used to HATE mental arithmetic, which we had to do for an hour every morning at school  and then the same of English. It worked, though! I can still remember my tables and quite a bit of English grammar, both of which come in useful from time to time.

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#925818  5th Feb 2015 10:09am
Re: Pupils ' must know times tables by 11'
[Re: Bizzybee1]

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Registered: 29th Jun 2011
Posts: 13246
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We had uproar, and stormed the Headmaster's office, in the childrens school when they stopped teaching the x tables. That was not in the Merseyside area and approx. 1990. The head was adamant that they would no longer be needed.
Like others, we knew all ours, 'parrot fashion' by the age of 8/9 yrs. Something never to be forgotten, and still used regularly.
Not everything does come in 10's but tables might come in handy when buying 11 tins of peas at 32 p each. I can do that is seconds....how about the pupils of today.
Edited by granny (5th Feb 2015 10:16am)
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#925826  5th Feb 2015 10:35am
Re: Pupils ' must know times tables by 11'
[Re: granny]

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Registered: 13th Oct 2008
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Not everything does come in 10's but tables might come in handy when buying 11 tins of peas at 32 p each. I can do that is seconds....how about the pupils of today.
I always use the 10 times table for something like above 10 x 32 = 320 1 x32 = 32 320 +32 = 352
Edited by derekdwc (5th Feb 2015 10:43am)

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#925833  5th Feb 2015 11:00am
Re: Pupils ' must know times tables by 11'
[Re: Bizzybee1]

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Registered: 3rd Jun 2012
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I would agree that tables DO still get used as derek says, i used to find the 8 and 9 ones the hardiest to remember.. I remember it was a'ritual' after the register.

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#925843  5th Feb 2015 11:41am
Re: Pupils ' must know times tables by 11'
[Re: Wally1]

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Registered: 13th Oct 2008
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We had to know up to 12 X tables by the time we were 8.
By 11 we had to be able to divide £31114d by £2138d or similar but I don't think I could do it now without blowing the last few brain cells.
Please no more of those sums my head's hurting now (wasn't by mental arithmetic though  on a sheet of paper) Can someone check the answer for me if they've got 5 or 10 minutes spare? 11.7486 remainder 16

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#925853  5th Feb 2015 12:05pm
Re: Pupils ' must know times tables by 11'
[Re: Bizzybee1]

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Registered: 8th Oct 2011
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Good gracious and to think I would have just reeled that answer off years ago.Now, I can't even begin to imagine how to do it.So I cheated and converted them both into simple numbers, £1=240d etc and I got the answer as 11.763975.
Decimals are very much easier but we just knew the old sterling and avoirdupois without many difficulties.

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#925910  5th Feb 2015 5:52pm
Re: Pupils ' must know times tables by 11'
[Re: Bizzybee1]

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Registered: 13th Feb 2010
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Unfortunately the answer should be in £:s:d
Edited by Wally1 (5th Feb 2015 5:54pm)

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#925954  5th Feb 2015 7:20pm
Re: Pupils ' must know times tables by 11'
[Re: Salmon]

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Registered: 25th Oct 2007
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Good gracious and to think I would have just reeled that answer off years ago.Now, I can't even begin to imagine how to do it.So I cheated and converted them both into simple numbers, £1=240d etc and I got the answer as 11.763975.
Decimals are very much easier but we just knew the old sterling and avoirdupois without many difficulties. That's not cheating; it's the correct way to do it and I agree with your answer. (Oh, and it's a simple division and the answer has no units. On the other hand, if you are asked to divide £4517s.8d. by 21, then the answer will need units).
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#925959  5th Feb 2015 7:28pm
Re: Pupils ' must know times tables by 11'
[Re: chriskay]

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Registered: 26th Jul 2011
Posts: 142
Loc: wirral

Good gracious and to think I would have just reeled that answer off years ago.Now, I can't even begin to imagine how to do it.So I cheated and converted them both into simple numbers, £1=240d etc and I got the answer as 11.763975.
Decimals are very much easier but we just knew the old sterling and avoirdupois without many difficulties. That's not cheating; it's the correct way to do it and I agree with your answer. (Oh, and it's a simple division and the answer has no units. On the other hand, if you are asked to divide £4517s.8d. by 21, then the answer will need units). Break it down to the lowest common denominator, 12 pennies =1shilling 20 shillings =1 pound 240 pennies =1 pound £31114 ÷£2138 = (31x240)+(11x12)+4÷(2x240)+(13x12)+8 =(7440+132+4)÷(480+156+8) =(7576)÷(644)=(11.763971552795)= you can divide 31 pounds 11 shillings and 4 pence by 2 pounds 13 shillings and 8 pence 11¾ times approximately 11x644=7084+492=7576
Edited by fillbo (5th Feb 2015 7:35pm)

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#926032  5th Feb 2015 11:10pm
Re: Pupils ' must know times tables by 11'
[Re: Bizzybee1]

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Registered: 20th May 2011
Posts: 582
Loc: Greasby

Argh, make the dancing numbers stop! Too much like old times...

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