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#909366 - 9th Nov 2014 8:19pm Residents of Wirral Estate Terrorised
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/wirral-estate-terrorised-thugs-residents-8078407

Residents on a Wirral estate have told how they are being terrorised by a gang of thugs leaving many afraid to even leave their homes.

Neighbours say they live in fear of youths in black tracksuits and baseball caps and avoid walking around the estate.

One family has even barricaded the windows of their house on the estate in Noctorum.
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#909368 - 9th Nov 2014 9:15pm Re: Residents of Wirral Estate Terrorised [Re: RUDEBOX]
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The black tracksuits are now classed as uniform.This has been going on since last year.
Bottom line that its got out of control,so its now going public.
Pure scum no respect for there country or there own poeple.


Edited by snowhite (9th Nov 2014 9:30pm)

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#909380 - 9th Nov 2014 10:43pm Re: Residents of Wirral Estate Terrorised [Re: RUDEBOX]
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cant help thinking that a vigilante group would have it sorted in a week.

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#909413 - 10th Nov 2014 7:56am Re: Residents of Wirral Estate Terrorised [Re: RUDEBOX]
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It isn't just Noctorum either.

Wallasey, Seacombe, Beechwood, Birkenhead, Moreton, Leasowe are just some of the areas I've witnessed gangs of idiots in "uniform" causing grief and I'm sure there are countless other areas having the same trouble.

Country has gone too soft now - they know they probably won't get caught and if they do, the punishment is negligible and somewhat a status symbol to show off with to their mates.

No respect, too many rights and not enough responsibility.

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#909441 - 10th Nov 2014 11:10am Re: Residents of Wirral Estate Terrorised [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Maybe the MPs and police chiefs can live in one of the houses for a couple of weeks to see the problem first hand.

No doubt there will be lots of hand wringing and promises, but little happens in reality.

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#909449 - 10th Nov 2014 1:08pm Re: Residents of Wirral Estate Terrorised [Re: fish5133]
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Fish is right! Vigilante groups are the only solution throughout Birkenhead to control these Crack babies that are running amok! Too much Human rights Bull & torie police cuts to control these little tramps & their disgraceful parents the legal way im afraid!!

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#909456 - 10th Nov 2014 1:29pm Re: Residents of Wirral Estate Terrorised [Re: Kev30x]
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Originally Posted By: Gibbo
Maybe the MPs and police chiefs can live in one of the houses for a couple of weeks to see the problem first hand.

No doubt there will be lots of hand wringing and promises, but little happens in reality.
I think Mr Field is after Votes.
Originally Posted By: danjaylai
It isn't just Noctorum either.

Wallasey, Seacombe, Beechwood, Birkenhead, Moreton, Leasowe are just some of the areas I've witnessed gangs of idiots in "uniform" causing grief
True. The area around Popeyes in Seacombe and the Post Office on the Poulton bends is fall of the little scrotes hanging about, looking menacing.

Originally Posted By: Kev30x
Too much Human rights Bull & torie police cuts to control these little tramps & their disgraceful parents the legal way im afraid!!
It's a social issue on so many levels. Where do we start to rectify it? think
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#909458 - 10th Nov 2014 1:41pm Re: Residents of Wirral Estate Terrorised [Re: RUDEBOX]
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I agree with Fish and Kev , until a small part of me thinks it would be a bit the same as when you have a massive disagreement---and the person who resorts to swearing and verbal assault , loses because they strengthen their opponent by leaving themselves open to criticism of acting outside of the standards theyre personally trying to uphold.

Aaar, sod it , I think of the poor people who are terrified and prisoners in their own homes and immediately the larger part of me is wondering where my socks are! Tssst! CONTROL Venice, please!

It wont stop though till young people have hope for the future .You cant beat hope into people , and people with no future have nothing to lose . Bring back more more more apprenticeships . Build far more affordable council housing using building apprentices under prof supervision as an idea for a start ---and make all new properties which ever way they face, have South facing roofs, equipped with solar power whilst you're at it!

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#909460 - 10th Nov 2014 1:55pm Re: Residents of Wirral Estate Terrorised [Re: venice]
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Originally Posted By: venice
It wont stop though till young people have hope for the future .You cant beat hope into people , and people with no future have nothing to lose .


I don't think that's any excuse. I was brought up on a rough council estate in Sheffield during the dark times of the early 80s, but me and my mates didn't feel the need to terrorise.

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#909462 - 10th Nov 2014 2:40pm Re: Residents of Wirral Estate Terrorised [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Should send the lot of them to a boot camp.Theyve got too much time on there hands.

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#909475 - 10th Nov 2014 4:56pm Re: Residents of Wirral Estate Terrorised [Re: RUDEBOX]
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I do not think boot-camp is 'one size fits all' solution. The reasons behind the anti-social behaviour could be as varied as the individuals involved and their personal circumstances.

Something needs to be done though, without a doubt. sherlock
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#909479 - 10th Nov 2014 5:17pm Re: Residents of Wirral Estate Terrorised [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Quote Gibbo"I don't think that's any excuse. I was brought up on a rough council estate in Sheffield during the dark times of the early 80s, but me and my mates didn't feel the need to terrorise."

No its not an excuse , of course Gibbo . Probably in those days though ,whether poor or not, your parents had relative stability and hope, and therefore had time and aspirations for you .You will likely have absorbed their values. A lot of parents today are in the same sinking boat as their kids , so anger and negativity flows through the whole family so none of them care a stuff about anything. --And of course you now have the whole drugs and violent games angle too.

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#909489 - 10th Nov 2014 6:38pm Re: Residents of Wirral Estate Terrorised [Re: RUDEBOX]
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you cant beat hope into people


No- but you might be able to beat something OUT of them. I received corporal punishment at scale twice just for giving cheek to teachers---didn't do it again. A slipper across the backside or ruler in the hand flipping hurts. You put 2 and 2 together and realise whats the point in getting hurt. Agree it might not work for every yob but if it works for some then its for their long term benefit as well.

They somehow need to realise that theres no problem with their "uniform" just there behaviour.

Lot to do with the parents or lack of. Had some grief of some lads once so went round to the mother---boy did she scare me but she also scared her son--no problem after that.

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#909493 - 10th Nov 2014 6:41pm Re: Residents of Wirral Estate Terrorised [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Originally Posted By: RUDEBOX
I do not think boot-camp is 'one size fits all' solution. The reasons behind the anti-social behaviour could be as varied as the individuals involved and their personal circumstances.

Something needs to be done though, without a doubt. sherlock
Like a lot of the links i post- they 'find' me rather than me going looking for them. Anyhow, here is something that the 'non-pitchfork brigade' may find interesting:

http://rt.com/uk/204075-prison-mental-health-children/
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#909511 - 10th Nov 2014 7:07pm Re: Residents of Wirral Estate Terrorised [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Well there's no chance of using corporal punishment, no chance of sending them all to 'bootcamp', no chance of trying to make them see sense. So what do we do ?

Firstly, how about the parents, i.e. mothers or fathers, together or apart being drawn into the equation ? It's hard controlling kids if they are mixed in with others, but I have to ask, why are the younger ones wandering the streets at night. The streets are turning into their playgrounds for the wrong games and the parents need to take responsibility , and if they have a drink or drugs issue, they need that sorting too. No quick fix, a multitude of problems that have to be tackled together. If the parent are not happy to take their responsibilities , fine them. The kids might soon start to feel the pressure of the guilt, and there's no good protecting these kids, because they are the recipe for ongoing trouble if not stopped. Who would let their dog get away with biting ?
Just my opinion.
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