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#907058 - 28th Oct 2014 8:57am Plans for new fire station in Greasby
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Hundreds shut out of consultation meeting over plans for new fire station in Greasby

Hundreds were shut out of a public consultation over plans to shut two fire stations in Wirral tonight.

Upton and West Kirby fire stations could both be axed, along with 22 jobs as the force attempts to slash its budget due to funding cuts. If those plans are given the green light the two stations would be replaced with a new £2.8m base in Greasby to serve both areas.

But concerned residents who turned up to tonight’s meeting at Greasby Methodist Church Hall on Greasby Road were closed out from the meeting because the hall was too full.

Richard Booth told the ECHO: “We turned up for the meeting but they are telling us no more can come in. I don’t think they were expecting this kind of turn out.

“There are about 400 people inside and about another 500 outside the hall. There are fire officers on the church hall steps trying to pacify the crowd, but they are angry because they want their views to be heard.

“People won’t leave they’ve turned out on mass because they feel so strongly that they don’t want Upton and West Kirby to close. There is no need to build a new station in Greasby, when we have perfectly good fire stations.”

Mr Booth added that people in the crowd were shouting “we want democracy” and “you’ve already decided to close the stations”.

On Twitter, A J Perrigo wrote: “Taken a little straw poll out here and I haven’t found one in favour of Greasby fire station.”

Peter Harrison tweeted: “Strong feeling at Greasby fire station meeting. Hundreds people can’t get in #NoToGreasbyFireStation.

“Everyone outside was really unhappy that the level of discontent was not represented in the meeting.”

If West Kirby and Upton stations are closed a new station would be built on Frankby Road.

Should the merger take place, the average response time from Greasby to an incident would be six minutes 12 seconds compared to the current average response time of five minutes 32 seconds for incidents in the West Kirby area, and four minutes 33 seconds for incidents occurring in the Upton area.

The merger would see the loss of 22 firefighter posts which, with the savings from moving to one station, would see £864,000 per year cut from the force’s expenses.

Dan Stephens, chief fire officer for Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service, said: “Over the last four years the service has had to make savings of £20 million as a result of cuts in our Government grant. We now face further cuts of £6.3 million in 2015/16 and our expectation is that there will be more grant reductions in the following years.”

Each public meeting is open to anyone, whether they live in the areas that may be affected or not.

Further public meetings will be held at:

* Activity Hall at Woodchurch High School on Carr Bridge Road, from 7pm to 8pm tomorrow.

* Hoylake Parade Community Centre on Hoyle Road, Hoylake, from 6pm to 7pm on Thursday.

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#907092 - 28th Oct 2014 1:22pm Re: Plans for new fire station in Greasby [Re: Mark]
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Hansard Debate : Heswall and West Kirby Fire Stations debate put forward by Ben Chapman, Labour MP, in 2001. explaining every reason why the staffing and closures would not work. Surely the same reasons and objections would be valid now ? To my knowledge there were NO so called cuts to Councils during that period in early 2000's but they had the plans already to put in place then . These things don't go through at a drop of a hat. It took 15 years to get New Brighton developments sorted out. So I don't believe any of the excuses they give now with reference to these closures is valid, it is all eye wash and been on the agenda for years.

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/westminster_hall/2001/mar/28/fire-stations-wirral

What is amazing, is they can give an average time for reaching an incident from Greasby to West Kirby, but it took an ambulance 20 mins to get from Arrowe Park Hospital to Thingwall just three weeks ago. (less than 2 miles).

If anyone can understand a word of this meeting, please translate....dreadful ! A course in good diction might help.

http://johnbrace.com/2013/09/24/west-kir...ings-proposals/
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#907107 - 28th Oct 2014 3:33pm Re: Plans for new fire station in Greasby [Re: Mark]
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January 2013...This is quite an insight into how difficult things can be. Quite amusing really.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/merseyside_fire_rescue_proposed

Prescotts' Folly

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...tand-empty.html

and still costing

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol...ns-8727130.html


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#907114 - 28th Oct 2014 4:30pm Re: Plans for new fire station in Greasby [Re: Mark]
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I was at the meeting last night, and the locals turned out in force to leave absolutely no doubt about how they felt. The church, entrance area and car park was full. Some people outside gave up and left, but for the rather vocal crowd remaining, a loudspeaker was rigged up so we could follow the proceedings. There were indicative drawings on display inside of what a new fire station replacing the library and childrens centre might look like - but they missed off the four storey practice tower! Fancy that... (insert sceptical smiley here). Greasby is lucky to have some greenspace at its heart, and we'd like it to stay there.

The Fire Authority bases everything on response times - an imperfect system, given that a fire engine is not necessary starting on its way to an incident from the garage, but from wherever it happens to be at the time; but it's the best they can come up with, it seems. This is going to be a long battle. The cuts are going to happen (bear in mind that incidents requiring fire engines have pretty much halved in the last ten years, which has to be a good thing, although it means job losses) but the re-siting of the fire station to cover west Wirral is not a done deal yet.

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#907179 - 28th Oct 2014 11:13pm Re: Plans for new fire station in Greasby [Re: Mark]
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#907180 - 28th Oct 2014 11:25pm Re: Plans for new fire station in Greasby [Re: fish5133]
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#907216 - 29th Oct 2014 9:49am Re: Plans for new fire station in Greasby [Re: Mark]
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Fire chiefs will return to Greasby for an extra public meeting over plans to merge West Kirby and Upton stations after a huge crowd was shut out of the consultation.

Hundreds of campaigners were left frustrated after being told there was no room for them at Greasby Methodist Church Hall on Monday night as Merseyside Fire Authority hosted the first in a series of public meetings.

Around 500 people were shut out of the meeting because of health and safety reasons, causing fury among residents who wanted their opinions heard.
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