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#903123 - 30th Sep 2014 7:50pm An interesting thought
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Teacher found hanged today was found to have porno pics of children on his pc. Obviously and rightly he'd have been prosecuted if he was alive. Im going to play devils advocate now .

Agreed a shocking crime when you think of the 'victims'. Set me thinking though, what would the legal position be if a person was found with high quality computer generated pictures of normally banned porno subjects?

I watched a documentary about mammoths last night and you'd swear they were alive and real , but of course they wern't, but it shows we do have the technology to offer pictures moving or otherwise where you cant tell the difference.

If there was no primary 'victim' and people were downloading and watching computer generated porn alone in their own homes. Would it and should it still be a punishable crime ?

Chainsawing someone to death is a true life crime, but you could watch a horror movie where a computer could generate a realistic person who suffers such a fate, and I dont think that would be illegal.

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#903130 - 30th Sep 2014 8:31pm Re: An interesting thought [Re: venice]
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presume as there is no victim then it wouldn't be a crime. My lad did his degree in film studies and there is plenty of cartoon porn emanating from Japan.
I was listening to the report on the radio and it said the police had informed 4 parents. Not sure I would want to know if someone had been getting kicks from photographing my kids. If he had actually been touching them then it would be a different story.

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#903168 - 1st Oct 2014 8:32am Re: An interesting thought [Re: venice]
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It is classed as illegal in this country, although I can't recall the precise piece of legislation. As I recall from an article I read ages ago it is pretty much treated in the same category as the real thing, despite not involving any actual sentient beings. I agree though Venice that as there is no victim, it seems contrary to logic that it should be an offence.

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#903201 - 1st Oct 2014 4:58pm Re: An interesting thought [Re: venice]
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there most certainly is a victim. countless victims

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#903203 - 1st Oct 2014 5:15pm Re: An interesting thought [Re: rover644]
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Note I did specify 'primary' victim Rover .. I get your point and actually I agree, but its the legalities of it that bamboozle me .

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#903376 - 2nd Oct 2014 7:53am Re: An interesting thought [Re: venice]
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so what about all the numerous video games where you can go round killing people?? isnt that the same! yet that isnt illegal. or am i just not getting the point here

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#903384 - 2nd Oct 2014 8:08am Re: An interesting thought [Re: venice]
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I think the point here is if you were to be watching porn involving children real or computer generated then that would tell me you had an un healthy interest in children, and possibly go on to offend, so my thoughts would be yes it should be illegal .

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#903412 - 2nd Oct 2014 9:52am Re: An interesting thought [Re: venice]
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Its not often that people do what we see in video games and go round killing people but sadly it does happen. I am sure the victims of this and those connected are equally disgusted by this as i would be about the question venice has been brave enough to ask. Its a subject that is raw on every thinkable level.

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#903413 - 2nd Oct 2014 10:28am Re: An interesting thought [Re: Dilly]
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I think the point here is if you were to be watching porn involving children real or computer generated then that would tell me you had an un healthy interest in children, and possibly go on to offend, so my thoughts would be yes it should be illegal .

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#903432 - 2nd Oct 2014 12:50pm Re: An interesting thought [Re: rover644]
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Originally Posted By: rover644
Its not often that people do what we see in video games and go round killing people but sadly it does happen. I am sure the victims of this and those connected are equally disgusted by this as i would be about the question venice has been brave enough to ask. Its a subject that is raw on every thinkable level.


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#903441 - 2nd Oct 2014 3:03pm Re: An interesting thought [Re: rocks]
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Originally Posted By: Dilly
I think the point here is if you were to be watching porn involving children real or computer generated then that would tell me you had an un healthy interest in children, and possibly go on to offend, so my thoughts would be yes it should be illegal .

withthat


Rocks and Dilly -- what would you reply if I posted the following

"If I found you watching 'Chainsaw Massacre'then this would tell me you had an unhealthy interest in murdering people , so I think films depicting killing , should be illegal"

(no Simon you havent missed the point )

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#903444 - 2nd Oct 2014 3:16pm Re: An interesting thought [Re: venice]
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Obviously the powers that be approve of the type of film you mention Venice, no one could ever approve of films depicting sexual abuse of children. People that do watch such stuff do so for self gratification and are a great danger to all children.

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#903447 - 2nd Oct 2014 3:27pm Re: An interesting thought [Re: venice]
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Their are numerous films about child abuse This is not comparable to what the first post was asking

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#903449 - 2nd Oct 2014 3:39pm Re: An interesting thought [Re: rover644]
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There are numerous films about child abuse This is not comparable to what the first post was asking

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#903526 - 2nd Oct 2014 8:15pm Re: An interesting thought [Re: rover644]
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(Devils advocate remember) Two computer generated films. Isnt it just as sick wanting to watch a graphic film of a person being sadistically tortured, eyes gouged out, fingers cut off, flayed, disemboweled to death as it would be to want to watch a film of a youngster being molested sexually but not even necessarily painfully or causing damage or death ? Is one worse than the other when neither is real ? Both scenarios are illegal in real life.Why only one in computer generated terms? Can you really justify the former being legal ,in the light of the latter being illegal?


Hat off. Id have all such scenes banned whether trick photography or generated by computer . Doesnt matter that its not real, it LOOKS real, so I reckon it damages our collective morality and individual psyche.






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