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#897824 - 30th Aug 2014 7:49am The Bridewell
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The image below is a report from the newspaper, Cheshire Observer, 1883.

Interested to know which Bridewell the report is referring to and how many Birkenhead had.

From various sources so far, directories and census returns,

North End Bridewell, Bridge St, I think this one is also described as Watson St.

Abbey St, County Police Court.

Town Hall, Hamilton St, this will be the old Town Hall.

Bridewell is a (Prison or Reform School for petty Offenders)


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#897826 - 30th Aug 2014 8:16am Re: The Bridewell [Re: bert1]
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Duncan Street, B'head, or would this be The Town Hall?

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#897828 - 30th Aug 2014 8:27am Re: The Bridewell [Re: bert1]
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There was also a "bridewell" on the corner of Livingstone Street and Price Street, opposite Livi baths.
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#897835 - 30th Aug 2014 9:29am Re: The Bridewell [Re: BandyCoot]
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Thanks Pinz, Bandy.

Still looking into Duncan St, it wouldn't be the old town hall, image below, 1861, directory.

1916 directory describes Livingston St/Price St as, Birkenhead Borough Police Station.

What defines a Bridewell as opposed to a Police Station with cells?

For example, the 1881 census has, John Glass, Bridge St, Bridewell Keeper, (Prison)


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#897975 - 31st Aug 2014 2:16am Re: The Bridewell [Re: bert1]
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There is no difference, the name Bridewell originates from an ex-royal lodgings in London near St Bridgets Well known locally as Brides Well. Some time in the 16th century the lodgings were given by royal consent to be used as a hospital and later converted to a prison. Since that time 'Bridewells' could be found in all major towns and cities.

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#898151 - 1st Sep 2014 3:04pm Re: The Bridewell [Re: GeeMeister]
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Cheers Gee,

It appears, depending who does the recording, depends on what name they receive.

I'm under the impression the newspaper report is referring to the Bridewell in Hamilton St, attached to the Old Town Hall.

In 1878, 1030 was spent on the County Police Station, Bridge St/Waston St for new works and the Abbey St Courts Bridewell received plenty of inspections.

Wondering why the cartographer has chosen on the 1876 map to mark the building Bridewell and not Town Hall? assuming it was all one building.


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#898172 - 1st Sep 2014 11:11pm Re: The Bridewell [Re: bert1]
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It would appear that the main police station in each division was referred to genrally as the bridewell, though this is not a strict rule. The Birkenhead bridewell was the building in Brandon Street adjacent to the town hall. This used to be the main police station for F division.

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#898174 - 1st Sep 2014 11:27pm Re: The Bridewell [Re: GeeMeister]
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#898196 - 2nd Sep 2014 9:09am Re: The Bridewell [Re: bert1]
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Nice one Zipper, it made for some intresting reading. To get rid of any confusion for some, the Argyle Street referred to is off Paradise Street in Liverpoool.I'm also wondering when the term bridewell went out of use as intimated by your attatchments as it was in use to my knowledge till at least the early 80's.

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#898649 - 4th Sep 2014 3:24pm Re: The Bridewell [Re: bert1]
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As you can see from the large scale 1875 plan below, Birkenhead's first 'Town Hall' actually consisted of two buildings; one comprised the municipal offices, courtroom and police station, the other the main bridewell with attached fire station.


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#898652 - 4th Sep 2014 4:09pm Re: The Bridewell [Re: marty99fred]
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Thanks Marty, for the map,

interesting, the initial newspaper report posted mentions Typhoid and stenches, and there we have a Urinal next to the cells.
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#898757 - 5th Sep 2014 9:56am Re: The Bridewell [Re: bert1]
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Looks like a River St type urinal with 3 traps if you take the drawing literally, open to passing trade.
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