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#889843 - 25th Jul 2014 8:02pm Mr Jollies Circus
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Surprised that we are not already discussing this on the Forums. This Circus is in Town....and dividing opinion across Wirral.

http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/113675...mals/?ref=var_0

http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/113614..._tigers/?ref=ms

http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/113668...t_grows/?ref=mr
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#889858 - 25th Jul 2014 8:51pm Re: Mr Jollies Circus [Re: RUDEBOX]
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I heard a little kid (about 6 years old) talking to his mother about a picture of a giraffe, she corrected him as it was a lion. True story. God knows what education he was having but you cant beat seeing real animals. He would remember them for life. I`m sure it must be cheaper to go to the circus than Chester Zoo and not all can afford to go to the Zoo, so it really could be the only chance some kids might see the animals. I used to love the circus with animals. The animals are well looked after and remember these are normally treated as big pets by their owners.
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#889862 - 25th Jul 2014 8:56pm Re: Mr Jollies Circus [Re: ZipperClub]
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The animals are well looked after and remember these are normally treated as big pets by their owners.
Jolly's lion trainer is a Chipperfield, one of the clan twice prosecuted for animal cruelty & one of only 2 companies still using animals in humiliating acts based on brutal training. A recent expose filmed big cats in tiny cages, llamas tethered in front of predators & a fox clearly distressed forced to ride a donkey's back.
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#889868 - 25th Jul 2014 9:09pm Re: Mr Jollies Circus [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Quote:
A recent expose filmed big cats in tiny cages, llamas tethered in front of predators & a fox clearly distressed forced to ride a donkey's back.

All this at Mr Jollies Circus?


Edited by ZipperClub (25th Jul 2014 9:10pm)
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#889870 - 25th Jul 2014 9:24pm Re: Mr Jollies Circus [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Yes. You good at Google aint ya?? I'm off now.Goodnight.
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#889885 - 25th Jul 2014 10:18pm Re: Mr Jollies Circus [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Wondered why people were holding up "say no" placards to passing motorists.
I don't suppose there will be anything left to ban eventually. And even when they have banned everything, safe in the knowledge that everything wrong with the world has been banned, they will ban us from sleeping contently in our beds.

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#889891 - 25th Jul 2014 10:39pm Re: Mr Jollies Circus [Re: RUDEBOX]
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When we read the stories such as the following, it is hard to understand why such beautiful beast should be subjected to their caged lives, for ours and in particular, the circus owners pleasures.

Can't agree with any of it.

Anne the Elephant..57 years in a circus, which probably means, most of her life either chained or in a truck . That's not even humane.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/07/anne-the-elephant-goodbye-circus
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#889917 - 25th Jul 2014 11:55pm Re: Mr Jollies Circus [Re: RUDEBOX]
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So Jollies lions and tigers are different from wild animals as they are bred from 2 or 3 generations of captive animals? OK then ,I expect the circus owners would be very confident allowing the public access to pet and play with these pussycats if they are now so domesticated?
Flipping tosh , wild animals will always have the instincts of the wild which is why it IS necessary to have tight security to keep big cats and people apart! That said, its obviously not right to keep WILD animals in disgustingly restricted spaces, forcing them to do alien movements to order, purely for human entertainment. Dont people who support circuses feel any compassion when they see these animals in their travelling cages (where they spend a large % of their time) swaying and pacing with stress and frustration ?

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#889919 - 26th Jul 2014 12:08am Re: Mr Jollies Circus [Re: venice]
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Where do they get the British born animals from several generations ? If true, then that's another interesting topic. Surely not zoos ? They could be up for slaughter too, if that's the case.

Just found this article: 8th July 2013

The UK government recently announced that a ban prohibiting the use of wild animals in circuses in Britain would come into effect in 2015

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23179862


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#889920 - 26th Jul 2014 12:12am Re: Mr Jollies Circus [Re: RUDEBOX]
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i just wonder if any of the objectors on here keep any animals as a pet?

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#889922 - 26th Jul 2014 12:17am Re: Mr Jollies Circus [Re: mrhanky]
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Yes have had, what would you like to know about Hanky ?
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#889928 - 26th Jul 2014 6:37am Re: Mr Jollies Circus [Re: granny]
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ALL animals were wild at one time.

We domesticated dogs and cats and now even more exotic species such as racoons, meerkats, coatis, civets and much more are being bred for the general worldwide pet trade.

Hypocritical ??? Yes, I know I certainly am.

I'm happy to go to see animals caged in a zoo so why do I disagree so strongly about seeing them in a circus? Maybe it's because they a forced to perform as entertainment but either way, caged is caged and they should all be running wild in an ideal world. It'll never happen though.

I have pets myself - hypocritical? Yup, I think it is.

We object to things we don't agree with but exclude certain parts to suit ourselves.

Human nature unfortunately - we are our own and everything else's worst enemy

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#890064 - 26th Jul 2014 6:20pm Re: Mr Jollies Circus [Re: RUDEBOX]
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There's a place in Spain called Noah's Ark it's high up in the hills known as Guadalest. English translation: eagle's nest.
I've been there twice. It was closed to the public some years ago, when a leopard ripped the arm off a woman who somehow managed to get herself over the screen guard and thinking she could stroke it lost the whole of her arm. People said that she was a Welsh tourist on a coach trip.
The place itself is a marvellous tribute to the man who runs it. He collects animals from all over the world who have been mistreated. There are chimpanzees who have suffered brain damage as a consequence of being used for experimentation. Ferocious they are too. He had a lion that had lived its whole life in a small cage and was discovered in a Russian factory. It never left the cage. A dancing bear, also from Russia, that dances when he is hungry. He knows nothing else. Shame about that woman, as the owner relied on donations from visitors to keep the place running. Her accident had it closed. I have to say, I have never in my life been able to get so close to wildcats, panthers, jaguars, tigers, lions, cougars, and leopards. They were all there when we last visited.

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#890068 - 26th Jul 2014 7:00pm Re: Mr Jollies Circus [Re: Alonso]
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There's a place in Spain called Noah's Ark it's high up in the hills known as Guadalest. English translation: eagle's nest.
Just read the reviews on Trip Advisor- it seemed an amazing place.
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#890070 - 26th Jul 2014 7:10pm Re: Mr Jollies Circus [Re: mrhanky]
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i just wonder if any of the objectors on here keep any animals as a pet?


personally I don't keep my cat in a cage and make off him doing silly tricks for fat selfish consumer kids like the uks kids have become like the usa
its just another commodification of animal life
ask yourself seriously WHY zoos exist or circus......because OUR slaughter for food, body parts for dumb stupid medicine or folklore, destroying THEIR natural habitat, the fact they cant breed effectively in their natural environment is down to guess who ??? US and our all consuming life styles
Dumb people say WE help them by caging them, training them, WRONG its all about money.
The stupid thing about the human race is they mentally justify ANY pain suffering or stress or lack of empathy or caring of animals if it suits them.
" IT DOESNT FEEL PAIN THE SAME ITS AN ANIMAL ,SO ITS OK"
I see dolphins whales in guess where on holiday?.....the sea!!
Its hard to argue against the intelligent arguments in the movie "BLACK FISH"
Remember what shaun monson says in earthlings "FOOD , ENTERTAINMENT, RESEARCH ,CLOTHING"
The four corners of how we use,abuse animals and are very switched off to it esp nowadays
cruelty in north west uk has risen 25% in 2014
I always say on here ,look beyond yourself and your meaningless consumption

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