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#880692 - 11th Jun 2014 10:26am Licencees and their addresses and building if poss
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From a list I have from the archives 1880 upwards licences that have a person's name but no Hotel,Pub, inn or beerhouse name.
Could someone (bert?) look up most of them in the 1881 census for the building or street number please.
Also where was Regent Place?

Albert Julius Mott - Argyle Street
Alfred Stewart - Regent Place
David William Kinghorn - Grange Lane
James Dunlop - Chester Street
Janet McPherson Fulton - Hamilton Street
Joan Finlayson - Chester Street
Richard Merry - Regent Place
Robert Cain - Market Street
Thomas Samuel Deakin - Chester Street
William Feelton - Hamilton Street
Richard Edwards - Balls Road


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#880704 - 11th Jun 2014 11:15am Re: Licencees and their addresses and building if poss [Re: derekdwc]
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Not all as yet and not all showing 1881 census, so far.

Albert J Mott,
Mott J & sons, 29 Argyle St
Wine Merchant
1891 Directory

Alfred Stewart, 1881 census,
Licensed Vict
2-4 Grange Rd


David William Kinghorn, 1881
129 Grange Lane
Wine Merchant

Mathew Finlayson 1881 (Joan)
37 Church Rd
Wine and Spirit Merchant

Thomas S Deakin, 1881
173 Chester St,
Wine and Spirit Merchant.
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#880708 - 11th Jun 2014 11:23am Re: Licencees and their addresses and building if poss [Re: derekdwc]
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#880709 - 11th Jun 2014 11:34am Re: Licencees and their addresses and building if poss [Re: derekdwc]
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#880714 - 11th Jun 2014 12:27pm Re: Licencees and their addresses and building if poss [Re: bert1]
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Concerning, Janet McPherson Fulton, haven't found her yet having a licence, 1881. She was the daughter of William Fulton who married Janet Bannerman McPherson, so the daughter is likely to be the licence holder and not the mother.
1861, William Fulton, 49 Church St, Wine & Spirit Merchant.
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#880715 - 11th Jun 2014 12:33pm Re: Licencees and their addresses and building if poss [Re: bert1]
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To add,

1881,
William Fulton
88-90 Hamilton St,
Wine & Spirit Merchant
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#880719 - 11th Jun 2014 1:09pm Re: Licencees and their addresses and building if poss [Re: bert1]
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The 1891 census shows,

Richard Edwards, wife & family at 10 Balls Rd, likely to be the same Richard Edwards who obtained the licence, declares himself as a Grocer.
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#880735 - 11th Jun 2014 2:28pm Re: Licencees and their addresses and building if poss [Re: bert1]
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One for you to ponder, Derek.

The, Robert Cain, Market St, is the Robert Cain, Brewer, of Cain's Brewery, Liverpool, who applied for and obtained the licence. In 1881, 1891 and previous he lived in Liverpool and 1901 lived in West Kirby.


Edited by bert1 (11th Jun 2014 2:30pm)
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#880828 - 11th Jun 2014 9:21pm Re: Licencees and their addresses and building if poss [Re: derekdwc]
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Thomas S Deakin, 1881
173 Chester St,
Wine and Spirit Merchant.

Possibly this address became The Letters in Chester st

I wonder where the name Letters originates from.
also was The letters in Argyle st

Letters - people who have a lease?


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#880939 - 12th Jun 2014 1:30pm Re: Licencees and their addresses and building if poss [Re: derekdwc]
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The Letters was a name often given to fully-licensed premises that did not have a specific name. These often started out as Wine & Spirit Vaults which were identified by the licencee's name painted on the frontage in the form "Smith's Vaults" or whatever; this of course was spelt out in letters, hence these premises were often listed in Licence Registers as "Letters" and the name was subsequently adopted as the name of the Pub.

This was certainly the case with The Letters in Argyle Street which opened in 1859 as a wholesale wine & spirit merchants run by Julius Mott & Sons. In 1867 they were granted an ordinary wine & spirit licence to allow them to retail drink in smaller quantities than was permissable under their wholesale licence, and eventually the premises became a wine & spirit vaults where liquor could be consumed on the premises.

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