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#877729 - 28th May 2014 11:09am St John's Church, Birkenhead query
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I went to a talk about finding non-conformist religions ancestors by the Birkenhead FHS at the Lauries Centre and the speaker mentioned about bodies/skeletons? being unexpectantly dug up when they were building the Pyramids.
Would there have possibly have been some interments at St Johns before Flaybrick/Bikenhead cemetery really came into becoming the main place for burials in Birkenhead.

Any info would be appreciated (if it was so I'd have thought it would be in some record or the Birkenhead News etc)


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#877743 - 28th May 2014 12:37pm Re: St John's Church, Birkenhead query [Re: derekdwc]
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I don't believe there was any internments or a graveyard at St John's, prior to Flaybrick opening, St Mary's was the likely burial ground and Flaybrick taking a lot of the burden from St Mary's when it opened.

Having looked recently for some relatives internments, in the obits (papers) I came across notifications for a lot of places, I don't recall St John's being one of them. I think I might have stumbled across at least one, had there been any.
However, just because I never actually seen any doesn't mean there wasn't any.

Looking now, there doesn't appear to be any evidence it had a graveyard.

Did the speaker mention, when the skeletons were found, what was the outcome? assuming some enquiry took place.
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#877744 - 28th May 2014 12:59pm Re: St John's Church, Birkenhead query [Re: derekdwc]
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What was on the site before the Pyramids? I remember it being built (I had just started school and use to have to cross the wasteground to get from the bus), but can no longer picture it.
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#877747 - 28th May 2014 1:14pm Re: St John's Church, Birkenhead query [Re: DavidB]
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Here's a clip from the O.S.map of 1911. The church was surrounded by Huskisson St. Borough Rd. just off the bottom of the map.


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#877775 - 28th May 2014 3:44pm Re: St John's Church, Birkenhead query [Re: derekdwc]
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St John's like most Birkenhead Churches were built after the laws changed on burials in I think in 1820s , the councils had to provide graveyards as most church burial grounds were over flowing, St Marys was built around 1840 but as the Priory has a graveyard it carried on being used until Cammell Lairds took a slice off the graveyard for a graving dock

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http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/chs/birkenhead.html

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#877782 - 28th May 2014 4:37pm Re: St John's Church, Birkenhead query [Re: DavidB]
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The Market, the precinct and the Pyramids are three linked but seperate developments built one after another.

The Pyramids was the last of these. The precinct had already been built over St John's church. The Pyramids development is to the west of St. John's, being between Borough Road and the former Coburg St and Sailsbury St.

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#877794 - 28th May 2014 5:13pm Re: St John's Church, Birkenhead query [Re: davew3]
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Originally Posted By: davew3
...the Priory has a graveyard it carried on being used until Cammell Lairds took a slice off the graveyard for a graving dock...
How ironic (or appropriate?) is that, for a "graving" dock!

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#877835 - 28th May 2014 6:33pm Re: St John's Church, Birkenhead query [Re: derekdwc]
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St Johns was the church I went to as a child and can vaguely remember there was grass down the sides of the church

Flaybrick Cemetery, Tollemache Road. Opened in 1864.

population in Birkenhead 24285 in 1851

So where would burials have been prior to 1864 from 1820s
St Werburghs has a few graves

re the PYRAMIDS
I'd venture to say one end of them where the lift is would be near to part of what was Collingwood Street


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#877856 - 28th May 2014 7:04pm Re: St John's Church, Birkenhead query [Re: derekdwc]
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There were no burials in St. John the Evangelist in Birkenhead. It does not have a register of Burials.

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#877868 - 28th May 2014 7:48pm Re: St John's Church, Birkenhead query [Re: OxtonHill]
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Just a small snippet for St Mary's records, gives an idea when some burials took place.


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#877885 - 28th May 2014 8:27pm Re: St John's Church, Birkenhead query [Re: CVCVCV]
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Your brain CVCVCV is working overtime to come up with that, to behonest when I actually read my comment I thought that myself laugh

I went to St John's and it definitely had no burials around it, but it had the rt Rev Albert Howorth the vicar, who made us kids feel totally cheesed off with his long sermons on what seemed very short school holidays.

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#877895 - 28th May 2014 8:37pm Re: St John's Church, Birkenhead query [Re: derekdwc]
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Thinking on what you said Derek, Grange Lane as it was called at one time must have been on the edge of the river that flowed into the Mersey, so why can't their be people buried by it, Borough rd is the original course of the river and all the streets sloped down from Grange rd to Borough rd so when it as a river would have been fields, our memories only go back to what we know was there, is there any History going back to even the Civil War as the Roundheads held Birket Wood, you onto something, keep digging ,

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