WikiWirral is where great friendships are made.
Forum Stats
12137 Members
65 Forums
72394 Topics
976144 Posts
33 posts in the last 24hrs
Max Online: 7831 @ 8th Apr 2013 4:18pm
Who's Online - Click Me
92 registered (11kendo, 11 invisible), 1530 Guests and 221 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


(Views 7days)This Weeks Most Read
Vet help 534
Another Big Waste Fire in Liverpool. 500
Name help 446
Talk Talk Security Breach 374
Another tree down on Arrowe park Road? 270
Anyone Read Chinese Writing 245
Mobile mechanic needed to fit a wishbone 231
That was kept a bit quiet? 218
RIP Peter Vaughan 169
MIG welder 145
New General Forums
Lib/dems rule the day
by JimmyG
2nd Dec 2016 10:59pm
Daft funny joke
by venice
2nd Dec 2016 5:54pm
We dont learn much.
by venice
1st Dec 2016 9:22pm
Freegle
by venice
1st Dec 2016 6:36pm
New Wirral History
Name help
by Paternoster21
3rd Dec 2016 8:03am
HMT Lancastria
by granny
2nd Dec 2016 11:38pm
Cubitts Holland and Hannen
by fish5133
27th Nov 2016 5:38pm
Fire station
by chris7777
22nd Nov 2016 12:24pm
Buy a house in Greasby for 12s a week - in 1935
by yoller
6th Oct 2016 6:56pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
fireworks on the Mersey last night
Hadlow train station
Topic Replies
Anyone Read Chinese Writing
by Tranquil
Today at 01:44 AM
Talk Talk Security Breach
by eddtheduck
Yesterday at 10:46 PM
HMT Lancastria
by venice
Yesterday at 02:59 PM
Geert Wilders
by fish5133
Yesterday at 02:44 PM
Royal Mail Online Postal Prices
by fish5133
Yesterday at 02:32 PM
Blank Page : Offline
by Mark
Yesterday at 08:08 AM
Vet help
by venice
8th Dec 2016 9:57pm
Micro desktop PC
by anniebo28
8th Dec 2016 2:24pm
RIP Peter Vaughan
by Gibbo
8th Dec 2016 10:56am
December
M Tu W Th F Sa Su
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Wirral TUC Meeting re Update on Wallasey CLP Suspe
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:16pm
World Aids Day Event 2016. Liverpool
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:05pm
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#857158 - 9th Feb 2014 8:55pm Yates Castle Brewery Records
BennyBoy Offline
Addict

Registered: 15th Nov 2009
Posts: 252
Loc: noctorum
Hi All

Heard a few whispers that the Yates Castle Brewery records where held in Manchester after John Smiths took them over.

However, did some digging and saw that some records are held at the central library in Liverpool

Has anybody seen the records and maybe know of more extensive records and photographs perhaps?

trying to find out some information about an old Pub owned by the brewery, then owned by John Smiths and finally taken over by Cains

Top
Wirral History Info Advertising
Click me for more Information......

* * * Digital Wirral : Computer Repairs & Solutions * * *
Now Advertise with WikiWirral.
WikiWirral stats 35,000 Page Views a Day +500 Search Engines.. Click Me
#857163 - 9th Feb 2014 8:59pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
BennyBoy Offline
Addict

Registered: 15th Nov 2009
Posts: 252
Loc: noctorum
I know that there were records in Manchester and John Smiths HQ in Tascaster, but I am not sure what records are kept in each!?!?!

Top
#857184 - 10th Feb 2014 12:36am Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
derekdwc Online   content


Forum Veteran

Registered: 13th Oct 2008
Posts: 4945
Loc: Birkenhead
This book may be of interest
click

Top
#857438 - 11th Feb 2014 10:53am Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
marty99fred Offline

Smartchild

Registered: 11th Mar 2009
Posts: 462
Loc: Pensby
The records held at Liverpool (as M380 YCB/1-7) consist principally of a few early cash books, day books and accounts belonging to Richard and James Yates, the founders of the brewery, and Joseph B Yates, covering from 1831-1868. There's also a batch of about 60 bills, invoices and letters relating to pubs in Birkenhead between 1888-1924, but not much else.

Top
#857459 - 11th Feb 2014 12:39pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: marty99fred]
BennyBoy Offline
Addict

Registered: 15th Nov 2009
Posts: 252
Loc: noctorum
I believe there are some records held in Manchester and Tadcaster but im not sure what information they have over and above what is in Liverpool.

In short the Pub I am trying to find information on is over 150 years old and I have never been able to find one single photograph of it other than a small image when cains took it over in the 90's.

What probably doesnt help is that it has changed names a few times but even so a Pub of that age should have some sort of photography!

I have purchased the book recommended by Derek and I will see if there is anything in there.

Top
#857469 - 11th Feb 2014 1:36pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
bert1 Offline

Wiki Veteran

Registered: 27th Nov 2008
Posts: 7827
Loc: tranmere
Benny,

If you disclose the name and location of the Pub, you might get lucky, someone may be able to help.


If its 150 years old, Derek probably had his first drink in it. wink
_________________________
God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.

Top
#857505 - 11th Feb 2014 3:46pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: bert1]
BennyBoy Offline
Addict

Registered: 15th Nov 2009
Posts: 252
Loc: noctorum
HI Bert

Its the Old Colonial, formerly the Grapes Hotel/Inn

I did a full research project on it a few years back and its the 2nd most viewed Pub on Wiki Wirral and I have tried so hard to get a picture!!!!!!

Top
#857508 - 11th Feb 2014 4:05pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
sunnyside Offline


Wiki Master

Registered: 4th Apr 2010
Posts: 39562
Loc: wirral
is this the one bennyboy??


Attachments: Viewing Permissions May Apply. Click Me
474668d96d792f867330361c2bf9d3c5.jpg



Top
#857509 - 11th Feb 2014 4:08pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: sunnyside]
sunnyside Offline


Wiki Master

Registered: 4th Apr 2010
Posts: 39562
Loc: wirral
any help??


Attachments: Viewing Permissions May Apply. Click Me
birkenhead_oldcolonial.jpg



Top
#857536 - 11th Feb 2014 6:06pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: sunnyside]
bert1 Offline

Wiki Veteran

Registered: 27th Nov 2008
Posts: 7827
Loc: tranmere
Benny

Not sure what information you need from 150 years ago,

Grapes Inn, Bridge St

Thomas Jones was the landlord early 1840s, mentioned in the Liverpool Mercury 1842 and listed in a 1843 directory. Margaret Jones, 1861 directory.
_________________________
God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.

Top
#857629 - 11th Feb 2014 9:24pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
derekdwc Online   content


Forum Veteran

Registered: 13th Oct 2008
Posts: 4945
Loc: Birkenhead
Grapes Hotel(from BOUMPHREY book 1)`

William Oliver Gray 1880 - August 1881
William Oliver Grey 1881-1882
Thomas Jones 1882-1883
Thomas Jones 1883-1884
Thomas Jones 1884-1885
Thomas Jones 1885-1886
Thomas Jones 1886-1887
Harry Newall 1887-1888
John Allison 1892-1895
John Allison 1896-1900
John Allison 1901-1903
John Allison 1904-1909
John Allison 1910-19
William Woodcock 1920-1930
James Jones 1931 - 1941
Lawrence McCarthy 1942 - 1952
Lawrence McCartney 1953 - 1963
Lawrence McCarthy 1964-1975

Top
#857637 - 11th Feb 2014 10:09pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
derekdwc Online   content


Forum Veteran

Registered: 13th Oct 2008
Posts: 4945
Loc: Birkenhead
Sorry BennyBoy didn't see your post about buying the book

Don't know if this will help
Going into the archives don't know if you noticed the 1857 map on the wall
I think they have 80 maps same year series of Birkenhead which may have the shape of the Pub on one


Attachments: Viewing Permissions May Apply. Click Me
pubs Archive map wooside to Ivy st.JPG



Top
#857651 - 11th Feb 2014 10:49pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
derekdwc Online   content


Forum Veteran

Registered: 13th Oct 2008
Posts: 4945
Loc: Birkenhead
This is from book 2
Previous list from archives Pub licences


Attachments: Viewing Permissions May Apply. Click Me
grapes book2.jpg



Top
#857708 - 12th Feb 2014 11:32am Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
derekdwc Online   content


Forum Veteran

Registered: 13th Oct 2008
Posts: 4945
Loc: Birkenhead
Off pdf of Birkenhead Reference library photo index click


BC VI 211/76 Grapes Hotel
BPL 2765 Grapes Hotel, Liverpool
C3394 The old Colonial public house, Bridge street, Birkenhead 1989.


Edited by derekdwc (12th Feb 2014 11:37am)

Top
#858867 - 17th Feb 2014 11:28am Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
BennyBoy Offline
Addict

Registered: 15th Nov 2009
Posts: 252
Loc: noctorum
Hi Derek

We own the Old Colonial

Iv bought the first book but I couldnt find anything on the Grapes Hotel at all?

The second book I cant find anywhere it doesnt seem for Sale.

The Yates castle brewery records show it owned the Pub but I cant find any pictures etc.

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >

Moderator:  Mark 
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Anyone Read Chinese Writing
by Tranquil
Yesterday at 03:47 PM
Talk Talk Security Breach
by fish5133
7th Dec 2016 6:19pm
Mobile mechanic needed to fit a wishbone
by anniebo28
6th Dec 2016 7:13pm
Vet help
by colin86
6th Dec 2016 6:25pm
Another tree down on Arrowe park Road?
by Davefabo
6th Dec 2016 11:08am
For Sale & Free
Micro desktop PC
by anniebo28
8th Dec 2016 2:24pm
Iphone 5s, Grey, near mint condition, 50
by anniebo28
7th Dec 2016 7:40pm
Roberts Concerto 2 CD Player For Visually Impaired
by Tranquil
6th Dec 2016 10:05pm
Gaming chair
by monsterz4
6th Dec 2016 8:27pm
MIG welder
by anniebo28
6th Dec 2016 1:34am
Featured Member
Registered: 11th Mar 2012
Posts: 128
Newest Members
lucyw, BarbaraL, SherryLover, missyb, DavidSharpe
12137 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
GingerTom (2016)
New Wirral Info
Anyone Read Chinese Writing
by Tranquil
Yesterday at 03:47 PM
Gymnastics coaches needed.
by margy
3rd Dec 2016 9:28pm
Wirral Globe
by locomotive
1st Dec 2016 6:25pm
Wirral TUC Meeting re Update on Wallasey CLP Suspe
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:16pm
World Aids Day Event 2016. Liverpool
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:05pm
News : New Topics
Geert Wilders
by fish5133
Yesterday at 02:44 PM
RIP Peter Vaughan
by diggingdeeper
7th Dec 2016 4:22am
That was kept a bit quiet?
by venice
6th Dec 2016 11:25am
Another tree down on Arrowe park Road?
by Davefabo
6th Dec 2016 11:08am
Bunchems Xmas present warning
by venice
6th Dec 2016 9:28am
New Enthusiast Forums
Talk Talk Security Breach
by fish5133
7th Dec 2016 6:19pm
Mobile mechanic needed to fit a wishbone
by anniebo28
6th Dec 2016 7:13pm
Vet help
by colin86
6th Dec 2016 6:25pm
Game shocking prices!!!
by eddtheduck
5th Dec 2016 4:55pm
54 plate renault clio 3rd brake light
by Mike72
1st Dec 2016 12:52pm
(Views 24hrs)Trending Newest Topics
Anyone Read Chinese Writing 245
Geert Wilders 56
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Sat 8:18am
Sunset Sat 3:52pm
Local Time Sat 6:38am
WikiWirral Can . . . .
Advertising Click me
To Advertise with
Wikiwirral Click Me