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#850164 - 13th Jan 2014 11:59pm Are we all living too long?
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This thought came to me when I read about the likely future of The Archer's Pub being destined to become a care/residential home.
There are tons of residential homes around the area now, it seems far more than when I left for pastures new back in 1996.

Everyone always seems to be of the opinion that they want to live to a ripe old age, but what is the point if we end up in a home because we can't lead independent lives due to frailty or alzheimer's ?
Personally, I'd rather pop my clogs before I got to the stage where I couldn't do my own thing, with relative ease.

Also, IF we are all living much longer, then that can only mean a much higher retirement age will come in to play. I can't see how pensions could legitimately cope if we retire at 65-67 and then live an additional 25-30 years. The NHS too, considering the amount of demand it would be under would surely collapse?
I'm personally going to carry on smoking, drinking and eating all the wrong foods in the hope I leave this world before things get too bad for me smile

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#850167 - 14th Jan 2014 12:26am Re: Are we all living too long? [Re: Elizabeth]
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Problem is Elizabeth, is that (unless you top yourself) , you cant choose when you die, and if you neglect or abuse your shell, it may well end up that you cant breathe properly or walk for yourself or indeed do anything for yourself ........BUT you dont necessarily die and you cant manage on your own , so as its not pc to let someone rot uncared for in their own house, youd be taken into care at an earlier age than if youd practiced good healthcare , the latter meaning you could have perhaps stayed in your own home active for more years before you 'popped your cloggs'.
I do understand what youre saying though, I have a huge fear of going into a NH having spent loads of time visiting various people in them over the past few years.

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#850171 - 14th Jan 2014 12:48am Re: Are we all living too long? [Re: Elizabeth]
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Worked in N.H- the reality is sooo much differant than the Glossy Brochures display.
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#850174 - 14th Jan 2014 1:01am Re: Are we all living too long? [Re: Elizabeth]
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Alzheimers will take years in a care home. Slowly deteriorating.
Where can i sign up for a heart attack at 70 in my own bed?
No burden on my family. No tainted memories.

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#850175 - 14th Jan 2014 1:06am Re: Are we all living too long? [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Aint that the truth! Ive seen some disgusing and upsetting sights.A lot of the time though its the fault of the management short staffing the place , and of course if carers were paid decent wages and felt valued, it could be a different story . I think when done well, NH carers job is HARD HARD HARD both physically and mentally. They should be far better trained and paid more accordingly IMHO.

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#850176 - 14th Jan 2014 1:08am Re: Are we all living too long? [Re: Elizabeth]
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pmsl.

I quite like the idea of saying what I like, when I like.....no edits. Alzeimers gives us that chance..... wink
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#850177 - 14th Jan 2014 1:23am Re: Are we all living too long? [Re: Elizabeth]
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you reminded me of this poem Rudebox.

When I Am Old.

When I am an old woman I shall wear purple
With a red hat that doesn't go, and doesn't suit me,
And I shall spend my pension
on brandy and summer gloves
And satin sandals,
and say we've no money for butter.
I shall sit down on the pavement when I am tired,
And gobble up samples in shops and press alarm bells,
And run my stick along the public railings,
And make up for the sobriety of my youth.
I shall go out in my slippers in the rain
And pick the flowers in other people's gardens,
And learn to spit.
You can wear terrible shirts and grow more fat,
And eat three pounds of sausages at a go,
Or only bread and pickle for a week,
And hoard pens and pencils and beer mats
and things in boxes.
But now we must have clothes that keep us dry,
And pay our rent and not swear in the street,
And set a good example for the children.
We will have friends to dinner and read the papers.
But maybe I ought to practise a little now?
So people who know me
are not too shocked and surprised,
When suddenly I am old
and start to wear purple!

Jenny Joseph

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#850182 - 14th Jan 2014 8:29am Re: Are we all living too long? [Re: Elizabeth]
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Registered: 14th Jan 2013
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I'm here for GOOD time not a LONG time
And strongbow and kebabs are part of my 5 aday
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Not long now

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#850184 - 14th Jan 2014 8:51am Re: Are we all living too long? [Re: Elizabeth]
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What's everyone's thoughts on assisted suicide ? I for one would like to think I had the option.

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#850197 - 14th Jan 2014 9:27am Re: Are we all living too long? [Re: Dilly]
venice Offline

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I think its wicked we DONT have it yet .Down right cruel in some cases. Yes there are dangers , but they could be minimized by proper regulation. What I cant understand is why the government are seemingly so against it. Theyre not bothered that the NHS's treatment lottery and drug /treatment rationing is unpopular and killing folk , yet they dont take up an option that if terminally ill/people with painful horrible chronic health problems were allowed to terminate their lives humanely , not only would it be popular( in my opinion), but it would do wonders for their coffers in so much as they would no longer be paying out so much in pensions/benefits/healthcare.

No doubt there would be those who would fight against it on religious grounds, but so what -we dont need democracy on this one because it wouldnt have to affect them, they could choose to linger on racked with pain if they so wished, having their backsides wiped by some stranger. Thats their right. They shouldnt have the right to force that on other people though.

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#850201 - 14th Jan 2014 9:38am Re: Are we all living too long? [Re: Elizabeth]
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Registered: 13th Oct 2008
Posts: 4973
Loc: Birkenhead
Don't forget the poor old investors in private care homes who have to scrape a living off the income from those homes.

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#850255 - 14th Jan 2014 1:37pm Re: Are we all living too long? [Re: Dilly]
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Registered: 3rd Feb 2013
Posts: 475
Loc: Wirral
Originally Posted By: Dilly
What's everyone's thoughts on assisted suicide ? I for one would like to think I had the option.
I agree with you on that one Dilly.Watch corrie next Monday night wink

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#850256 - 14th Jan 2014 1:38pm Re: Are we all living too long? [Re: venice]
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Registered: 3rd Feb 2013
Posts: 475
Loc: Wirral
Originally Posted By: venice
you reminded me of this poem Rudebox.

When I Am Old.

When I am an old woman I shall wear purple
With a red hat that doesn't go, and doesn't suit me,
And I shall spend my pension
on brandy and summer gloves
And satin sandals,
and say we've no money for butter.
I shall sit down on the pavement when I am tired,
And gobble up samples in shops and press alarm bells,
And run my stick along the public railings,
And make up for the sobriety of my youth.
I shall go out in my slippers in the rain
And pick the flowers in other people's gardens,
And learn to spit.
You can wear terrible shirts and grow more fat,
And eat three pounds of sausages at a go,
Or only bread and pickle for a week,
And hoard pens and pencils and beer mats
and things in boxes.
But now we must have clothes that keep us dry,
And pay our rent and not swear in the street,
And set a good example for the children.
We will have friends to dinner and read the papers.
But maybe I ought to practise a little now?
So people who know me
are not too shocked and surprised,
When suddenly I am old
and start to wear purple!

Jenny Joseph



PMSL love it.

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#850257 - 14th Jan 2014 1:42pm Re: Are we all living too long? [Re: Candlyfloss]
Dilly Online   Reading
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Registered: 17th Jul 2011
Posts: 7570
Loc: wallasey
Originally Posted By: Candlyfloss
Originally Posted By: Dilly
What's everyone's thoughts on assisted suicide ? I for one would like to think I had the option.
I agree with you on that one Dilly.Watch corrie next Monday night wink

No I can't bear to watch Haley's departure.

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#850258 - 14th Jan 2014 1:45pm Re: Are we all living too long? [Re: Dilly]
Candlyfloss Offline
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Registered: 3rd Feb 2013
Posts: 475
Loc: Wirral
Originally Posted By: Dilly
Originally Posted By: Candlyfloss
Originally Posted By: Dilly
What's everyone's thoughts on assisted suicide ? I for one would like to think I had the option.
I agree with you on that one Dilly.Watch corrie next Monday night wink

No I can't bear to watch Haley's departure.
Lmao, you know whats going on then.Just make sure you have the tissues ready if you do decide to watch. smile

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