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#826250 - 20th Sep 2013 3:09pm Wirral ready to cash in on off shore wind farms
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Could someone explain to me how we are going to cash in on this.
Will we build and own them?
Get money from selling the electricity generated?
What will get built where the factory is - more offices?
click Wirral Globe

WIRRAL's cabinet has approved plans to buy a former factory in Birkenhead for use as a site to cash-in on the wind farm industry.

The premises, the former Transfood site in Abbey Street, just off the A41, will cost £350,000. The cash will come from the Regional Growth Fund.

Councillors yesterday approved recommendations to press ahead with the purchase.

The peninsula’s coast already has some of the most massive offshore wind farms in the UK at Burbo Bank and Gwynt y Mor.

Further planned wind farms have a "strong focus" on the Irish Sea - where an astonishing 1,000 more turbines are planned.

The cabinet was told that "capturing a share of the windfarm market" would bring immediate jobs and open up supply chain and export potential in an expanding industry.

The local authority, working with Cammell Laird, has already secured £5m from the Government’s Regional Growth Fund to be spent over the next three years on supply chain opportunities.

The council now plans to demolish the old Transfood buildings in readiness for redevelopment

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#826272 - 20th Sep 2013 4:10pm Re: Wirral ready to cash in on off shore wind farms [Re: derekdwc]
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The details are a bit sketchy, though that's no real surprise for the Wirral Globe.

Presumably the benefits will come from the business rates levied and the local jobs created (whatever they may involve). I seem to remember mention a while back of some sort of assembly facility.

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#826279 - 20th Sep 2013 4:40pm Re: Wirral ready to cash in on off shore wind farms [Re: derekdwc]
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More detailed information required to view what the proposition actually is. We have learned recently that 'global warming' is not actually the problem 'they' thought it was. The Russians are digging about in the Artic Circle for more oil (what a nasty mess that would be if it went pear shaped). I don't think that in reality, with the knowledge currently available, we have much choice other than to build modern nuclear power stations if we wish to live in this technical age. Locations for living on silver sands eating coconuts and fish and basking in the sun are severely limited.

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#826300 - 20th Sep 2013 6:23pm Re: Wirral ready to cash in on off shore wind farms [Re: derekdwc]
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I agree with you Moonstar, either solution 'x' which hasnt been thought of yet, or nuclear fusion , are going to be the future whether we like it or not, but I think that that development will will take a long time, so much as Im suspicious of it, I suspect fracking is inevitably going to be the way used to fill the gap. I would like to see wave power harnessed more, rather than wind turbines although the latter will definitely bring work , as they are forever breaking!!! Look at any bank of them at any given time, and at least 10-15% are not operational even in the wind. Solar power too could be developed a lot more ,we dont take nearly enough opportunities to utilize it fully. We could have every building in the country required to have as many south facing flat areas as possible, and fitted with panels ,and of course every new property should be by law be built with massive insulation.Theres also opportunity to mix solar panels with agriculture . Land is not lost if animals can graze beneath it . We need some of everything really . However with projected population levels, the ultimate future is either nuclear or stone age.


Edited by venice (20th Sep 2013 6:24pm)

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#826327 - 20th Sep 2013 8:07pm Re: Wirral ready to cash in on off shore wind farms [Re: derekdwc]
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If you have time to read this pdf then it might educate your mind about power/electricity/energy, its turning point from a free source to use in abundance to a global scam costing £$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$£ when it shoud be costing us 0..

http://www.human-resonance.org/Veil_of_Invisibility.pdf
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#826335 - 20th Sep 2013 8:23pm Re: Wirral ready to cash in on off shore wind farms [Re: derekdwc]
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Tulip Ltd closed Birkenhead based Transfoods which it acquired in 2011 with the loss of 214 jobs.The plant was closed and the gates locked despite still being in consultation with the union over what was a proposed closure.
Meat has been processed on the site for thirty years.
Tulip got the order book and Transfood washed there hands of a loyal workforce.
I would not be surprised if it is a low level toxic site nobody would touch with a big stick. Will the regional growth fund be footing the whole bill ,knock down clean up rebuild etc.
Remember the lines building

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#826373 - 20th Sep 2013 9:40pm Re: Wirral ready to cash in on off shore wind farms [Re: Sanchez]
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Originally Posted By: Sanchez
If you have time to read this pdf then it might educate your mind about power/electricity/energy, its turning point from a free source to use in abundance to a global scam costing £$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$£ when it shoud be costing us 0..

http://www.human-resonance.org/Veil_of_Invisibility.pdf


Blimey, thats an 82 page book! My brain would fry if I read all that, and obviously thats what Id need to do, because I flicked through ,and the odd pages I stopped at to get a 'flavour' didnt seem to hold much relevance on their own.


Edited by venice (20th Sep 2013 9:41pm)

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#826382 - 20th Sep 2013 10:02pm Re: Wirral ready to cash in on off shore wind farms [Re: derekdwc]
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Derek ,is it not the subsidies? Not sure if this relates specifically, but there are some interesting related articles too.

August 2013.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsb...-windfalls.html


Developers of wind farms and nuclear reactors will receive long-term contracts guaranteeing them a price for the electricity they will generate. The so-called “strike price” will be subsidised through levies on consumers’ energy bills.*

The subsidy is, of course, paid through higher household bills – and more energy poverty.

Sanchez...read some of your PDF post. Skipped through a lot, found it interesting but somewhat far-fetched in part, although how do we ever know the truth?
Do believe the last part about psychopathy.All our psychopathic world leaders in governments and business on the highest levels. Absolutley right..



Edited by granny (20th Sep 2013 10:11pm)
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#826421 - 21st Sep 2013 8:19am Re: Wirral ready to cash in on off shore wind farms [Re: derekdwc]
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Perhaps an 80 page doc wasn't the best start, here's a man on the run for what he knows and does..

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#827222 - 24th Sep 2013 8:54am Re: Wirral ready to cash in on off shore wind farms [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: 19FRANK40
Wind farms have been proved to be useless. When there is no wind, they fail to operate and when there is a strong wind they go on fire.


For just the simplest of jobs, a ship has to sail from somewhere, using fossil fuel to drive it there and back and the guy gets pots of cash for his time from leaving home to arriving back.

Despite all this there is no man made global warming.





Ahem:

http://www.scienceworldreport.com/articl...tch-melting.htm


Even if you don't believe in Man Made Climate change, I for one am very uncomfortable with our energy supplies (i.e. Gas) being dependant on two countries Qatar (who may at any point sell to a higher bidder - China anyone?) and Russia who have already turned gas supplies off to another country as part of a dispute

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7806870.stm

Wind may be far from ideal but at least it's home grown.

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#827277 - 24th Sep 2013 2:27pm Re: Wirral ready to cash in on off shore wind farms [Re: ]
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One word - Fukishima....... whistle

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#827493 - 25th Sep 2013 11:39am Re: Wirral ready to cash in on off shore wind farms [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: 19FRANK40


Means nothing when you consider how safe are European reactors. There has never been a problem here.


Windscale 1957: within your living memory Frank, I suspect.
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#827514 - 25th Sep 2013 2:42pm Re: Wirral ready to cash in on off shore wind farms [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: 19FRANK40
Wind farms have been proved to be useless. When there is no wind, they fail to operate and when there is a strong wind they go on fire.

The cost of erection and maintenance is horrendous, there are dedicated specialised ships now transferring the crews to and from work, but often the weather is too bad to operate so everybody stands still and goes on to overtime pay.


The same can be said for coal or gas fired power stations.

The fuel doesn't just magically appear. It has to be extracted and delivered to the station.

And you seem to be conveniently ignoring the point that when there is wind, they're turning. I look out onto the turbines at Seaforth and its a rare day when they're not turning. More on that here:

http://www.peelenergy.co.uk/seaforth-wind-farm

It generates 4MW. That's 4 that's not having to be provided by conventional energy.

And the cost of erection, maintenance and decommission (of nuclear especially) is equally horrendous.

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#827515 - 25th Sep 2013 2:46pm Re: Wirral ready to cash in on off shore wind farms [Re: chriskay]
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Originally Posted By: chriskay
Originally Posted By: 19FRANK40


Means nothing when you consider how safe are European reactors. There has never been a problem here.


Windscale 1957: within your living memory Frank, I suspect.


Have some more:

Between 1950 and 2000 there were 21 serious incidents or accidents involving some off-site radiological releases that warranted a rating on the International Nuclear Event Scale, one at level 5, five at level 4 and fifteen at level 3.

1983 was the year of the "Beach Discharge Incident" in which high radioactive discharges containing ruthenium and rhodium 106, both beta-emitting isotopes, resulted in the closure of beaches along a 10-mile stretch of coast between St. Bees and Eskmeals, along with warnings against swimming in the sea.

A 1997 Ministry of Health report stated that children living close to Sellafield had twice as much plutonium in their teeth as children living more than 100 miles (160 km) away. Health Minister Melanie Johnson said the quantities were minute and "presented no risk to public health". This claim, according to a book written by Stephanie Cooke, was challenged by Professor Eric Wright, an expert on blood disorders at the University of Dundee, who said that even microscopic amounts of the man-made element might cause cancer.

On 17 February 2005, the UK Atomic Energy Authority reported that 29.6 kg (65.3 lb) of plutonium was unaccounted for in auditing records at the Sellafield nuclear fuel reprocessing plant

But, hey, it doesn't matter so long as Frank has cheap leccy bills, eh?

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#827521 - 25th Sep 2013 4:18pm Re: Wirral ready to cash in on off shore wind farms [Re: derekdwc]
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Personally if you want to see the cost of these offshore windfarms, then a visit to
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/

is helpful, you will get a view of the cost of the maintenance of these offshore windfarms in shipping, if you can get to a radar set open up to 24nm and see how many are in Liverpool bay, the damage they are doing to the seabed to me is in question and the decommissioning of these things after use is another question I would like to know, are the steelwork and cables going to be removed completely or are we going to be left with the base still in seabed, personally I would prefer nukes but Labours Brownout screwed that up.

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