Forums Forums Local News Wirral claimants have their benefits capped

I don't see how cutting the benefits any more than what has already been done can benefit the taxpayer.
Peoples minds are being conditioned by this government to believe that the jobless are the scroungers, the truth is that most unemployed actually want a job to be able to pay for things like rent, food, days out, nice things in the house etc. etc. Every family has different circumstances, most of which you probably wont know about because quite frankly your not living their life.
We are supposed to be one of the richest nations on the planet yet people are payed buttons - that is the problem - ridiculously low wages and an extremely high cost of a basic living.
Foxycoxy, just imagine how much that person with 10 kids would have to earn to be better off than what they are already on, then bring in the CSA for that family, he would have to be earning 40k plus atleast for him alone.
Yes the benefits system is costly (mostly by pensioners)and yes wages are too low but f**k me have some compassion for the people that live on the breadline and need a little help every now and then.
Pure and simple - wages need to rise and NOT bring the poor to their knees any further than what they already are.

I'm a pensioner Abbot and paid in for 43 years to achieve what is now, under the new rules, a reduced pension.

No job is secure nowadays and you could be out of a job next and then let's see how you get on with finding a decent job,
paying your mortgage or rent, loans, food, clothing etc.
Be thankful if you are working and have a reasonable lifestyle.
I do agree something should be done about long term benefit claimants that are fit to work though (I don't know how.)
Once this Gov gets away with these benefit cuts it will have a go at cutting state pensions next, saying pensioners are scroungers who don't contribute anything to the country except live longer and being a drain on the country's resources

Well done. I'm not having a dig at pensioners, just stating facts.

plus, because the system has been very cunnuingly transformed over the years, (for the last 12 years at least)it has been expected that the parents will help their children through higher education etc.and to avoid having bad credit, it has been expected (by the governments) for their parents to pay off the bank loans that were flung at these young people. It's been expected of the parents to help pay for deposits for housing etc and contribute to the bills nobody can afford hoping to keep Mr Wolf from knocking on the door.
Now, we, the pensioner parents,after paying National Insurance and tax for X amaount of years, it is obviously considered that we are a drain on society.
So in an effort to help our own, in which ever way possible,and keep them off the benefit system,the saving we managed to make, whilst working, have gone straight back into the same pot.
So really, pensioners have contributed more than their fare share, and unfortunately many of them have nothing left in the pot. So it will be more pension credits to be paid out, then it can be said, that pensioners take the bulk of the benefits from the state.
One other thing for young people to be wary of now, is to think about when you will be able to become secure in your life. Think about how old you will be when your family start to need the help, think about what you will be able to give your family in the same way as we helped our families.Deposit for rentals, or a mortgage maybe, pay for a holiday,help with grandchildren it all costs alot. It's about to become so much tougher in years ahead, I feel sorry for each and everyone. I suppose its a way of bringing everyone down to the same level,which is the ideal prognosis for many. Take from the rich and give to the poor:there will always be 'rich', but many,many more poor, which in the long term will cost the country enormously, and Europe will be one big cooking pot for you all and no voice.

Another part of this is slightly off topic and might seem anti but it isn't. I wonder how it is that people of Muslim or Jewish faiths, plus others I think, are not, according to their faiths allowed to pay interest on anything,how do they get properties? In general rented property rates and mortgages must be higher if they are owned by others not from those communities. Which in turn, means we must be paying more to cover the mortgage repayments of the landlords, and why can't we have interest free loans too for any reason, including student loans, which can take years to pay off and goes against the people who have tried to improve their abilities in this life? The whole lot is one big twisted mess and I doubt if any hole will be shallow enough to climb out of.

If wages rise, everything else will rise too. Think about it! So nobody will be any bettr off. I suppose if benefits are capped, then housing cost may reduce as only when people can't pay do things get reduced.
Just glad I we are not in the same situation as others in this world right now. Let's be grateful.

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How come your pension is reduced? As I understand it, and I'm in this position, if your pension is more than the new guaranteed minimum of £144? a week, it won't be reduced to that level.

Interesting read of how manipulative and conditioned peoples minds can be -

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/20/charlie-bucket-poor-real-life?CMP=twt_gu

Interesting read.Hence this last part that was mentioned. Nor is sentimentality about the poor much good: I like George Bernard Shaw's acerbic remark in his great socialist tract: "The blunt truth is that ill-used people are worse than well-used people." He adds: "I hate the poor and look forward eagerly to their extermination. I pity the rich a little, but am equally bent on their extermination." The trouble with advocacy for the plight of the hard done-by is that we must always find "perfect" cases, people utterly blameless in every aspect of their life, judged by criteria none of us apply to ourselves, our family or friends. Mistakes, errors of judgment, bad habits, all too human in everyone else are unforgivable in anyone receiving benefits from the taxpayer: weed out smokers or drinkers or anyone too stupid, too lazy, too fat, too angry, too lacking in get-up-and-go or just too depressed to put on a good show.

How do you reconcile people's sugar-coated sympathy for imaginary unfortunates with their strong impulse to blame and punish real-life poor people? That's the conundrum that myriad thinktank reports and charities giving the true facts still fail to crack.

Source? Sounds like its come from one of the extremist right groups? Called Nazis' back in the day.

would be intresting if they means tested the benefit system again....sky or virgin to much benefit.....running a car to much benefit.....mobile phones to much benefit....smoking way to much benefit lets bring the benefit system into what it was designed to be a thing to support you but not carry you.....brother inlaw keeps all kinds of pets smokes never worked in his life has all the gadgets i have to work for yet he is the one who aint gone grey

Tv,computer,mobile phones,car.Iwould class them as luxurys.Booze and fags would be also be a luxury as it so damm expensive.Food and bills would be a main priority before any luxurys count.Even pets cost alot to keep on food and vet fees.

think if we look at how to bring the cost of the benefit system down we need to look also at winter fuel allowance yes a lot of people do need help with bill so lets get the energy company to send the winter fuel bill to the benefits office who can compare then pay the extra heating bill instead of sending the money to the claimant who not always uses it for its purpose...also lets think food vouchers that can only be redeemed in certain shops and by the names person on the voucher as yesturday standing in a shop a woman decided to buy ciggies and not food after discussing it with her partner

I'm a pensioner who has been lucky enough to have worked most of my adult life, I had to work nights because I had three children, again I was lucky to have a husband at that time, who worked during the day, so we were like ships that passed in the night, but we did enjoy our holiday's together, and we had a car, we couldn't afford to save or pay into a private pension, but didn't think we'd need to as we were paying our national insurance each month, and the state pension at that time was a reasonable amount.
I am now on a state pension, plus pension credit, which amounts to £505 per month, I get a council tax reduction, winter fuel benefit, I don't pay for dental treatment, and I have a free bus pass, I find it a struggle but I manage as most pensioners do.
but To all those people who judge, think there but for fortune goes you or I.
and be thankful to have had the opportunities to be who you are.

Winter fuel benefit like a lot of benefits paid to wealthy pensioners is a political tool.The average pensioner is well off compared to working families trying to get on housing ladder.
The Dla is most abused benefit it is supposed to cover the cost of care how many people actually employ a carer with this money.It should have been left in local authority budget and used to employ home helps and carers for those who really need assistance in the home.I have a neighbour with three out of control kids she gets carers allowance for them because she has managed to get a label for them. All three have iphones and latest fashion it makes me p....Sorry for people with decent kids who go to work and cannot afford bus fares for their kids.