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#805813 - 7th Jul 2013 5:50pm Job Centre JSA Scam ?
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I know of at least 2 people (my daughter being one) who were asked by the Job Centre to attend a training meeting with an agency (not at Job centre) on the same days as there signing on day. The timings of the meeting and signing on did not give enough time to travel back across wirral. My daughter arrived late for siging on and explained she had been on a meeting that the job centre had sent them on, but even after appeal they stopped her JSA for 2 weeks and my other friends for a month. They then threaten you if you appeal it will mean having to make a new JSA claim which is a nightmare.

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#805818 - 7th Jul 2013 6:02pm Re: Job Centre JSA Scam ? [Re: fish5133]
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Ive heard of the one of having to re-claim if you appeal your sanction. its just wrong.
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#805828 - 7th Jul 2013 7:00pm Re: Job Centre JSA Scam ? [Re: fish5133]
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Having worked at both The Job Centre and also for a Job Centre Training Provider, I know it is never as simple as this, but I understand how frustrating it can be. Sometimes just a conversation can sort this out. Speaking to the right person helps of course, but seriously, the Job Centre staff are not trying to make peoples life hell.

If an appointment was made, it was made well in advance of the signing date/time. Communication to highlight this with the JC Staff would have sorted this I am sure.


Edited by Sallybear (7th Jul 2013 7:01pm)

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#805830 - 7th Jul 2013 7:02pm Re: Job Centre JSA Scam ? [Re: fish5133]
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I used to spend many hours a day trying to book job seekers and appointment with the training provider, many JS's couldn't make signing appointments because of signing times/dates, this was always resolved without issue.

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#805847 - 7th Jul 2013 8:07pm Re: Job Centre JSA Scam ? [Re: fish5133]
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It also doesn't help that the government has set targets for people to be sanctioned.
Absolutely disgusting attitudes from the JC staff also don't help


Edited by Abbot (7th Jul 2013 8:08pm)

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#805848 - 7th Jul 2013 8:18pm Re: Job Centre JSA Scam ? [Re: fish5133]
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I would appeal it anyway, your daughter will win and get her benefit payments backdated.

They tried something similar with me. My advisor wanted me to apply for a temporary factory job in Bromborough Retail Park. It was only for 3 weeks, and it stated the hours were 6am-2pm, 2pm-10pm and 10pm-6am.

She thought it was continental shift, but wasn't sure. It's unsuitable if it is, I said. As I explained to her, I don't drive, so the early shift would be out as I'd have to walk to Liscard (20 minutes walk from where I live,) to get the bus to Birkenhead, then get the bus to Bromborough. In all, a journey of almost 2 hours! So I'd have to start walking at 4am to get there for 6am! A lone female? In the dark, Winter mornings? I don't think so!

Can't apply for it, I said, it puts me in a dangerous position, and what time would I have to get up to be ready for a 4am walk?! My advisor said maybe it was separate shifts, not continental, and told me to ask another advisor who knew more about the vacancy. She printed out the ad for me to go ask. Turns out it IS continental, so no good.

A few days later, I get a letter through my door saying they're stopping my money as they haven't received an application from me. Apparently, when the computer prints out jobs, it records it and expects applications for it. When you don't send any, your account is automatically closed!

Needless to say, I appealed, giving the reasons for both the print-out and not applying for it. I won and got my payments backdated, (I was nearly 6 weeks without money!)

But the important thing is not to take it lying down, they'll soon get sick of pulling stunts like this if they have to process endless appeals!

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#805849 - 7th Jul 2013 8:32pm Re: Job Centre JSA Scam ? [Re: fish5133]
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Look seriously at the end of the day, the person who started this post, if what they say is true then there has been a serious break down in communication. NO Job Centre staff are going to give someone an appointment to conflict with their signing on time so that they get sanctioned.

If they want to communicate with me personally for info I would be glad to help.

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#805852 - 7th Jul 2013 8:51pm Re: Job Centre JSA Scam ? [Re: fish5133]
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Write to Frank Field. He will be on your side in issues like this. It needs sorting.

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#805863 - 7th Jul 2013 9:32pm Re: Job Centre JSA Scam ? [Re: fish5133]
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its a conspiracy
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#805864 - 7th Jul 2013 9:33pm Re: Job Centre JSA Scam ? [Re: fish5133]
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if sanctioned for 6 weeks won't your internet be turned off? and as most jobs only have online apps won't you be sanctioned again for not cheaking emails? or going for any jobs on that job match thing so the sanctions keep comming.
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#805869 - 7th Jul 2013 9:50pm Re: Job Centre JSA Scam ? [Re: fish5133]
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I think the job centre is doing it on the sly. ie the government pays them for every person who get 's A job (ie: comes of benefits) through such an agency gets certain amounts of money. They give them lists of the claimants names contact details etc.. so wouldn't it be of there benefit if they purposely made appointments for same day, it would scuffer a variety of people young,old, begins with A-z, it doesn't matter there not fussed, that person gets sanctioned so are theoretically off benefits, that agency would still get it's fee/commission, not arranged directly by advisor. Have they been blagged? there is no evidence available, the agency made appointment. so claims have to begin again, longer time, loss of essential money. Don't the figures look good? Do the government save a larger sum?
Headline: "the government has reported a drop in the amount of people claiming Benefits for the last 2 month's"

I wonder why????
Then there are the genuine advisers who make you an appointment, not realizing what there doing but there's a paper trail so gets backdated paymen.
Who did she speak to?where was appointment? Is there proof, ie paper letter??

If yes go in and speak to a manager???

That sounds very much conspiracy I know, but it was just a thought?

I hope your daughter gets it sorted in appeal.

I'm sorry for the very long way of getting to end, hope someone understands what I mean.

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#805936 - 8th Jul 2013 9:06am Re: Job Centre JSA Scam ? [Re: fish5133]
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Registered: 12th Oct 2011
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Loc: Birkenhead
Not a consipiracy mate, I know someone who makes commission based on how many people they can "Get off benefits" even if it means fooking them over.

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#806097 - 8th Jul 2013 9:04pm Re: Job Centre JSA Scam ? [Re: fish5133]
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Registered: 29th Aug 2008
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I accompanyed a person there today. Eye- opener!!

In less than an hour, there were two blokes who had sighned off as they were told they had jobs at Tulip. After 3 weeks of 0 hrs and 0 shifts and 0 money they wanted food vouchers and an advance for gas n lekky.

Another was arguing the toss that he would not work for £2.65 an hour as an apprentice??

A woman was reporting her sons change of circs. He had mental health problems and was couch surfing as he had voluntarily give his flat up coz he couldnt afford the b.t.

Staff on the other end of the phones being verbally abused.....no wonder they go on the sick!

All in all,an unpleasant snapshot.

PS yes i am nosy and yes i was eavesdropping, hard not to.


Edited by RUDEBOX (8th Jul 2013 9:06pm)
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#806125 - 8th Jul 2013 10:24pm Re: Job Centre JSA Scam ? [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Registered: 12th Apr 2010
Posts: 464
Loc: Southern Europe
Hi,

Tried that universal jobmatch,

So far every job I have applied for has resulted in a page saying that the job is no longer available.

ok I have only been offered five

So its not very useful at the moment but will see how it goes.

Oh the job centre wants full access to your account so that it can check what you have been doing

Failure to comply means .....?

Already found that it is failing to record job searches, have print outs to prove this.

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#806136 - 8th Jul 2013 11:03pm Re: Job Centre JSA Scam ? [Re: fish5133]
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I hear its not yet mandatory for you to allow them access to your jobsearch account? Not that they will tell you that.

http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/universal-jobmatch-do-not-sign/

Dont know whether that has changed since this article though??


Edited by RUDEBOX (8th Jul 2013 11:09pm)
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