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My point is, Casper, that having children is not a right! Some of those that are on benefits have more and more children to try and beat the system and milk it (no pun intended). The examples I gave were acquaintances who have been on benefits ad infinitum, never paid into the system, yet continue to breed despite moaning about the cost of keeping said children.

These are the ones who contribute to everyone on benefits being tarred with the same brush.

Every single person in this country that is lucky enough to be in good health and employed are only one day away from being on benefits of some sort, or from becoming disabled. I am one of those people - all it took was one minute on one day to turn my life upside down. The catalogue of events & medical errors that followed have contributed to the mess I am in now.

As for the real scroungers - I think the MP's themselves surely top that list. The amount of money they are allowed in expenses for food, travel, hotels, second homes etc, on top of a very generous salary/wage is mindblowing! Surely if we are all in this together, they should be prepared to take cuts too. We all know that that won't happen though.

Funnily enough I do! It's quite simple. All you need to do is create new employment opportunities that pay livable wages. Then this largely mythical underclass, (of idle poor), won't want to claim benefits, they'll want to go to work and earn a good living as now they can spend the money they earn having a more enjoyable life than the miserable existence they're born into now.

If people are able to work, then they should be doing something for their handouts. People who pay their taxes are supplementing those lazy arses. I know people who are disabled, have learning difficulties and they are proud of their contributions, whether in manual paid or voluntary work.
For the women who keep having babies, its great that you supply the 'fodder' for industries, but are the men willing to provide maintenance until the kids are 18? - sometimes the men don't think until its too late. We used to be a proud nation - I just see us as turning into the begging bowl of deprivation. Yeah, help those in hardship, made reduntant, ill - but clamp down on the persistent scroungers of society.

Excellent point about the maintenance dodgers, Ponytail.

a family who is working have to think very hard before having another child . a woman in my road who is not working got paid for having her 5 child ever time she has a new baby her benefits go up

A guy where I used to work used to have bad knee's due to his weight, he was issued with various benefits including the vehicle one and got a brand new Quashqui a blue badge and all that comes with it-free parking/tunnel etc. He then paid privately for 2 new knees and got himself a fulltime job. All very well but my problem is this was 4 years ago and he still gets the benefits that allow him a new expensive car every 3 years along with free tunnel and parking etc! Can anyone explain this to me as it baffles me. I really am all for helping those in need (I wouldn't want to live in a country that didn't) but surely once the need is gone there shouldn't be a benefit for life!

Keep em on the dole I say, at least then us hard workers don't have to do their job when they get work with us, cos let's face it, they will mess around just to get sacked so they can go back to spending their dole on beers, weed and ciggies whilst sitting on their beanbags watching Jeremy Kyle everyday.
I'm ok and won't have to have any lazy muppets workin with me, but I'm speaking for the rest of you.
You know the score and you know I'm right.

As you were.

If you really want to know, go and ask him, there may be reasons you dont know about, so you think every disabled person should have obvious signs, and if there are none, then that person should not get benefits as they are healthy.

Go on then, I'll bite. I don't use this site very often, so am not sure what the title "wiki master" infers, but is this post planted here as a bomb, to try and generate more controversy, and therefore site traffic? I'm genuinely not sure if it is intended to be taken seriously.

I apologize Ste if you were simply playing devil's advocate, or alternatively positively lampooning lazy generalizations.

i have a nice house, 2 dogs, plasma tellys etc.
i am on benefits as i suffered a near breakdown after being made redundant. i worked for over 40years and thank goodness the benefit system is there to help those in real need.

Here's one for you people on the dole are called ...
And people in the armed forces are call heroes
Now the armed forces are kicking people out of there job
So are the people we called heroes yesterday today's ...

This might seem off topic, but it's my own personal belief that no British government wants to come out of Europe because they fear the total collapse of our Welfare State, and I include the Tories in that statement. And when I write about the Welfare State I'm not just talking about benefits, I'm talking about the whole infrastructure of our society: education; health; government employees; military and defence; the police and criminal justice system; roads; state pensions; whatever is tax payer funded include it. The whole lot cannot possibly be sustained from revenues collected, because we don't collect enough to fund that lot each year. And any serious downturn in our economy will mean even less taxes being collected if unemployment goes through the roof like it has in Spain.

Each year, £billions are borrowed from the international money lenders in order to keep our heads just above the water level.

No matter how patriotic people might feel about gaining our independence from Brussels, the huge danger is that if the money lenders see us as a big risk then nobody will lend to us a red-cent. Imagine the chaos that will ensue once we can no longer pay for all that we have become accustomed to these past sixty plus years?

There are whole swathes of the population who rely upon the benefits system for their very existance, housing, food, etc. People are complaining now, that they cannot afford to live, what will they do if that nightmare scenario comes about? I dread to think. Imagine the country going back to the living conditions of the 1930s. Or even the nineteenth century?

The benefits culture in this country, much of which is on a large scale in areas like Merseyside, came about because of the collapse of our local industries during the 1970s - the docks, the local shipyards etc. When they went people who relied upon them for income went onto the benefits system, remaining in the area and relying heavily upon tax payer funded local accomodation (housing benefits etc). In fact the local authorities increased their building projects to accomodate their families, the benefits culture continued to trap their children and so on. And here we are today in a bigger mess than ever.

I really fear for the future of the people of Merseyside. Lord knows where it is all going to end. But the benefits culture is only the tip of the iceberg.

Quote Shambo,s solution .

"Funnily enough I do! It's quite simple. All you need to do is create new employment opportunities that pay livable wages. Then this largely mythical underclass, (of idle poor), won't want to claim benefits, they'll want to go to work and earn a good living as now they can spend the money they earn having a more enjoyable life than the miserable existence they're born into now."

Shambo, -- Smashing scenario , but not simple, and most relevent,not immediate. Reminds me of the Irish answer to directions to somewhere

"If I were you I wouldnt start from here"

You've missed my point. A lot of people asked him why he was still entitled to the vehicle etc and even he didn't know! He was working legally paying tax etc and honest with the state about his disability being fixed yet still has the car. The only thing he himself could come up with is once you were on it they couldn't take you off! And no I don't think that every disabled person should have visible signs, that's absurd but in this case the disability was fixed (his words).

A single person who may have worked all their life and gets made redundant at say 58 years of age will receive £71 a week plus if applicable rent paid and support for council tax. Which is same for a 26 year old who has never worked but why would a person who has always worked need more than a person who has worked. £71 is the very least a person could survive on.People with disabilities get considerably more and rightly so.
In an area of high employment that I am familiar with community leaders hold meetings to discuss job prospects and the turnouts are always very high. I suggest that the people who believe the unemployed are scroungers go on to job sites on internet and you will see hundreds of applications for every job that does not require much in the way of qualifications.Yes there are jobs advertised but there are tens of people chasing every job. Please consider how you would feel if you lost your job it is time to stop this ridiculous slandering of the sick and unemployed,