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#69727 - 18th Apr 2005 1:50am Motorway driving at over 70mph? You're on camera
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Motorway driving at over 70mph? You're on camera


THE last haven where drivers can creep over the speed limit is being invaded by cameras.
From now on one of Britain’s busiest motorways will be monitored in the first attempt to enforce the 70mph limit.

Until now police have struck only when motorists drive well over the limit on motorways. With their central barriers, gentle curves and grade separated junctions, motorways are considered to be far safer than any other road.

Drivers on the M4 in Wiltshire, between junctions 14 and 18, will face a £60 fine and three penalty points for speeding by as little as 9mph.

Cameras in marked vans will be operated from bridges over the motorway. Police and civilian operators will use laser guns on vehicles when they come within a kilometre of the bridges. Under the rules governing mobile cameras, the vans must be visible from 100 metres. But most drivers will be caught long before they come within that range.

More than half of all cars on motorways exceed the speed limit and a fifth travel at more than 80mph. Existing patrols tend to book only motorists who exceed 85mph.

Last night motoring groups accused the Wiltshire & Swindon Safety Camera Partnership of seeking to raise revenue without offering any evidence that safety would be improved.

Motorways are five times safer per mile driven than the average road and eight times safer than urban A roads. There were 9 crashes per 100 million vehicle kilometres on motorways in 2003, compared with 76 on urban A roads. Most of Britain’s 6,000 speed cameras are on A roads. On motorways they usually enforce only temporary speed limits during roadworks. The southwest section of the M25 has cameras on gantries to enforce the lower speed limit in operation during congested periods.

Under Department for Transport rules, camera partnerships can deploy mobile cameras only on stretches where there have been at least two collisions resulting in death or serious injuries per kilometre in the previous three years.

The Wiltshire partnership, which includes the police and the county council, will argue tomorrow that the casualty rate on the M4 is higher than on the average motorway and meets the level required by the department. There were 18 deaths, 69 serious injuries and 641 slight injuries between junctions 15 and 17 between 2001 and 2004.

Signs on the M4 and approach roads will alert drivers that they are entering a speed-trap area but they will not know where the vans will be parked. A spokeswoman for the partnership said that motorists who slow down for the yellow Gatso cameras before speeding up again would be caught by the M4 cameras: “People aren’t supposed to slow down just because they have seen a camera. They are supposed to slow down because it’s the law.” She said that the trigger speed for the cameras could be as low as 79mph and “could change from day to day”. The exact speed will remain confidential to prevent drivers from setting their cruise controls just below it.

The RAC Foundation accused the partnership of using irrelevant crash statistics to justify deploying cameras. Edmund King, its director, said that the casualty problem on the M4 was caused largely by people driving too close to the vehicle in front, stopping on the hard shoulder, overtaking without checking mirrors and failing to slow down for fog.

ROAD SAFETY

Motorways account for a fifth of road traffic. In 2003, 184 people died on motorways compared with 1,890 on rural roads


The average speed of cars on motorways (71 mph) has remained about the same since 1998


The proportion of cars exceeding the 70mph limit was 57 per cent in 2003, up from 54 per cent in 2002

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#69728 - 21st Apr 2005 2:21pm Re: Motorway driving at over 70mph? You're on camera
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Hi, :go:
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#69729 - 24th Apr 2005 8:53pm Re: Motorway driving at over 70mph? You're on camera
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THE SIMPLE SOLUTION WOULD BE DONT VOTE LABOUR!!!!!!!!!this countrys **** my familys movin madrid if blair gets in again!!!!!!!!absolute rubish lets all watch the death toll rise cause how many people gonna see these vans sla=m breaks on and then weve got a small pile up this countrys a discrace!!!!!!!! im utterly discusted my dad does 100mph all daylong on the motorway sometimes 120 does he crash no!!!!!!!!rubbish rubbish rubbish!!!!!!! its time 2 take it out on some gatsos mmmmmwwwwahhhhhhaha!!!!!!!
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#69730 - 24th Apr 2005 9:17pm Re: Motorway driving at over 70mph? You're on camera
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I never speed that often, cos I'm always paranoid every other car is an unmarked police car.
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#69731 - 25th Apr 2005 1:45am Re: Motorway driving at over 70mph? You're on camera
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So long as you're driving safely then you shouldn't worry about unmarked cars. They're there to pick out the dangerous drivers, not the general speeders. I was told this by an ex copper.

Just don't: Drive too close to the car in front, change lanes without indication, brake unnessesarily, etc, and they won't stop you. You'd probably need to do a few of these things including speeding before an unmarked car would pull you over.

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#69732 - 25th Apr 2005 1:49am Re: Motorway driving at over 70mph? You're on camera
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There is a red volvo unmarked round here If it wasnt for the white shirts and my mates keen eye i was going to race it lol. Me and dickky5 have just been to b/ham there are speed cams every 600yards its stupid sometimes you have to do over 70mph cos somebody is slowing you down the laws on motorway driving are daft like dj russell says labour are crap this country is getting rich of peps like us. I may drive fast (and have never crashed) but at least i dont deal drugs or rape peps the guv should work more at getting real criminals ( but i imagine lookin for criminals isnt as easy as seeing speeders on the cam) plus we pay better.
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#69733 - 26th Apr 2005 12:08am Re: Motorway driving at over 70mph? You're on camera
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Id get the train if i had to stick to 70 on the 300 mile trip between homes, trains do about 95MPH u know. I know cos i often run alongside them for a good few miles on this one stretch of the '74. Its class cos i only slowly catch up with them/pull away from them. *My speedo definately reads 70 while im doin it tho officer*

Labour are trash and im deffo votin this year just to get them *******s out of downing street numbers 10+11
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#69734 - 4th May 2005 12:56am Re: Motorway driving at over 70mph? You're on camera
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Loc: west mids
GOOD LAD SCOOPY BOY!!!!!!!LOL make sure u dont vote lib dem though cause then labours still gonna get in u gotta either be 4 the conservatives or labour!!!!!!!!!!ne1 who votes labour wants banning from all cruises and car events because its them that r callin us thugs and makin it worse!!!!!!!just ask urself b4 u vote that blairs plan is to:
COMBAT ANTI SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR!!!!!and we all know wat that Means car meets comes under that and secretly thats wat hes thinkin of not ur REAL anti social behaviour like
20 CHAVS STOOD OUTSIDE THE LOCAL SHOP DRINKIN CIDER AND BEIN ABUSIVE AND BELTIN OLD LADYS OVER THE HEAD 4 THERE PURSE!!!!!!!!!!and weve all done it wantin 2 pop down local shop but u darnt because ull either get started on or your car booted in so u go 2 the nxt shop or dont bother gettin wat u came 4!!!!!and dont lie lol
be warned EVERY1
D O N T V O T E LABOUR
VOTE CONCERVATIVE!!!!!!!!
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#69735 - 24th Feb 2006 1:31am Re: Motorway driving at over 70mph? You're on camera
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Registered: 27th Jan 2006
Posts: 31
Loc: Wirral
THIS COUNTRY IS SHITE ! Turning in to a different country all together !

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#69736 - 24th Feb 2006 9:47am Re: Motorway driving at over 70mph? You're on camera
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Registered: 9th Nov 2005
Posts: 584
Loc: wallasey
i was follow yesterday on the M53 for about 5 miles by a black bmw with a camara on the dash i wasnt speeding sticking to the speed limit and still got pulled the driver was in civies and the passenger police uniform didnt get anything he thought is was a little odd that i stuck to the speed limit dead on it infact and just as we were pulling away a sliver saxo went flying and i mean flying pass and off thay went. didnt see the cars on the motorway as i travel maybe he pulled off in time.
i am looking at moving to auss in a few years because iys getting to expencive to live here f*** labour i dont anyone who voted for them and that still gt in.
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#69737 - 24th Feb 2006 12:38pm Re: Motorway driving at over 70mph? You're on camera
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its "strange" that u were doin the limit,doesnt everyone do the limit when theres flange about (police,not muff) i do about 73 past the flange until im outta sight,i aint one for pullin in behind em and waiting til they leave
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#69738 - 24th Feb 2006 4:33pm Re: Motorway driving at over 70mph? You're on camera
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Registered: 9th Nov 2005
Posts: 584
Loc: wallasey
i had my nan in the car i normal overtake them thay drive slow so no one will pass but still doing the speed limit all we now is speed limiters so we cant go over 70mph.
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#69739 - 8th Apr 2006 7:03pm Re: Motorway driving at over 70mph? You're on camera
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#69740 - 8th Apr 2006 10:14pm Re: Motorway driving at over 70mph? You're on camera
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Registered: 14th Aug 2004
Posts: 22315
Loc: Moreton/Beirut/Mobile
They won't put in speed limiters as it will defeat their idea of making money out of motorists via the stealth tax speed cameras ...... oh sorry, I must be PC, "traffic safety cameras". :rolleyes:

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