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#695241 - 21st May 2012 3:28am 'Poorest' live in the north-west of England.
Shambo Offline
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Nine out of ten of the poorest areas in England are in the north-west, a church charity has said. Five of them are in Liverpool.

Full story here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18137739

and you can type in your postcode and find out where your locality stands on their list here : http://www.cuf.org.uk/povertyinengland

When I type in my postcode what it says doesn't surprise me. Some people like to moan about 'benefits culture' and declining moral & social standards but to my mind, they choose to ignore the elephant in the room... poverty.

After having the pleasure of moving to a more affluent part of our country for a portion of my adult life, I was shocked when I moved back to the Wirral to find just how under valued local people are. Lots of extremely intelligent people work very hard round these parts for not a lot of reward because basically there just isn't alot of opportunity to get ahead. To tell somebody in a dead end job on minimum wage that they are 'lucky to have a job' is a shockingly bad way to treat a fellow human being, and I believe a symptom bourne of selfishness and the economic devastation wreaked upon this country by 80's Thatcherism.

Remember the 'North/South Divide'? Well that is very real and although it lost it's buzzword status for the media long ago, it has never gone away. New Labour was a joke and it's socialism-lite did nothing to readdress the problem. The current economic malaise only reinforces the losses Merseyside previously suffered and never fully recovered from. Studies on wealth distribution bring home the cold reality of the situation.

Next time you see, hear or read about some form of anti-social behaviour, please think twice before you blame it on typical chav dole scum types or taking advantage of political correctness gone mad. You may never dream of acting in such a way, but you have learned to better and they have not. Desperate people do desperate things and ultimately, it's the people responsible for putting this part of the country at such a disadvantage that creates situations ripe for criminal and anti-social behaviour. The individual must and always will have to take responsibility for their actions, but if you always identify an individual as the reason the world isn't the way you'd like it to be, you miss the true causes and allow people who were born into more fortunate circumstances to keep you 'in your place', (people who think they are better bred than you, and were born to lead... they exist. I've met a few). Destined to remain unhappy, trapped with the right-wing tenet that always needs somebody to blame...

... but what came first? The poverty or the anti-social behaviour?

*puts the soapbox away and goes back to lurking*

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#695243 - 21st May 2012 4:30am Re: 'Poorest' live in the north-west of England. [Re: Shambo]
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Well said shambo clap

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#695341 - 21st May 2012 2:30pm Re: 'Poorest' live in the north-west of England. [Re: Shambo]
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some very good points there shambo
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#695344 - 21st May 2012 2:34pm Re: 'Poorest' live in the north-west of England. [Re: Shambo]
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just typed in my postcode i live in 1 of the most deprived areas in my parish apparantly,while its true we are by no means well off i see so many families who seem to be a LOT more worse off than we are
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#695345 - 21st May 2012 2:41pm Re: 'Poorest' live in the north-west of England. [Re: Shambo]
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Spot on there Shambo. It's difficult to see things changing in the short-term though. As a society we seem to have become so dumbed down as to the real causes of our society's ills. The massive gaps between rich and poor.

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#695477 - 21st May 2012 8:01pm Re: 'Poorest' live in the north-west of England. [Re: Shambo]
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So sadly true well said

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#695539 - 22nd May 2012 1:19am Re: 'Poorest' live in the north-west of England. [Re: Shambo]
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Cheers Shambo - good post.

Key point raised by Touchstone as well, I reckon.

Here's a link to an interesting TED talk which addresses the social consequences of income inequality.

http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html

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#695542 - 22nd May 2012 1:35am Re: 'Poorest' live in the north-west of England. [Re: johnnysmoke]
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Loc: Egremont wallasey
On the overall deprivation scale, where 1 is the least deprived in the country, this parish ranks 12656 out of 12706 parishes in England. That means that the parish is among the most deprived nationally.
that was my information for my postcode.

seacombe according to these statistics, is one of the most deprived areas

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#695707 - 22nd May 2012 4:44pm Re: 'Poorest' live in the north-west of England. [Re: Shambo]
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Shame 13years of Labour didn't put things right but then how would they get back in without a benefit society beholden to them, Thatcher lost her way when her "friends" told her how great she was, but when has selling gold at the lowest price and putting the money into Euro's helped the country, you get what you vote for, vote for the red rosette or the blue one or the orange one and stay in the EU and poverty will still be here.

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#695751 - 22nd May 2012 7:47pm Re: 'Poorest' live in the north-west of England. [Re: davew3]
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I don't think you can lay the blame for poverty at the door of the European Union, Dave.

I agree with you that none of the major parties are offering us anything that will sort out this mess, though. They are all just presenting different shades of the same basic economic policies.

I don't think that there's a magic bullet that will make everything better, but I suspect that a long-term solution would have to include some reining in of corporate power on a worldwide scale. This would require an unprecedented degree of international co-operation, and an isolationist approach won't help with that.

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#695784 - 22nd May 2012 10:21pm Re: 'Poorest' live in the north-west of England. [Re: Shambo]
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And sadly there is much worse to come.

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#695792 - 22nd May 2012 11:06pm Re: 'Poorest' live in the north-west of England. [Re: Shambo]
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Can anyone tell me at what level people are classed as poverty stricken. Is it based on income (how much income?) or social deprivation, or what? I don't really know, and how does our poverty compare to other EU countries? Are we marked against the same criteria?
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#695805 - 22nd May 2012 11:39pm Re: 'Poorest' live in the north-west of England. [Re: Shambo]
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Most of the 'unemployed with no intentions of getting a job so just push out kids for cash' brigade I see are MUCH less 'poverty stricken' than some of the hard working yet unskilled but try very hard type that you come across.

Yeah you've got a 52" plasma, a mobility car because your daughter needs once since you smoked during pregnancy, designer clothes and can afford your 20 filthy cigarettes a day but, hold on, you're technically 'deprived' because you don't earn the money yourself.

There's families living pay check to pay check, struggling for a decent house, in a decent area, no disposable to actually enjoy themselves... yet that are not deprived.

I can't get my head around it!!!!

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#695809 - 22nd May 2012 11:42pm Re: 'Poorest' live in the north-west of England. [Re: Shambo]
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Although... I may be wrong.

'Poverty stricken' = poor enough to need help from others.

I wonder how many people on here who live in one of the more deprived areas in their parish don't require any form of handouts?

I live in a fairly poverty stricken area yet have never received a state funded handout in my life.

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#695815 - 23rd May 2012 12:10am Re: 'Poorest' live in the north-west of England. [Re: Chris_Peacock]
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Originally Posted By: Chris_Peacock
Although... I may be wrong.

'Poverty stricken' = poor enough to need help from others.

I wonder how many people on here who live in one of the more deprived areas in their parish don't require any form of handouts?

I live in a fairly poverty stricken area yet have never received a state funded handout in my life.



Me neither, and wouldn't have wanted too. Had three jobs and juggled them around three children, of which, all had the extra curriculum after school and never came home to an empty house, nor were they left in the evenings or at night time. Two got degrees and the other left school with nothing, but he has proven himself through sheer determination.
It was before the minimum wage was brought in, great for a few as the tax credit scheme bolstered the individual companies and kept them in business.They could employ twice as many people on part time hours in most cases at a reduced rate of pay and no permanent positions(good for the unemployment figures, it kept them down)
All the other companies seemed to follow suit and lowered the rate of hourly pay to minimum wage for part time job, thus cutting all the full time jobs. Then, in came the Job Evaluation which dissected it even more. If you work in Admin, you get so much, if you work in retail, you get so much etc.etc. If you have a degree you have to be earning so much before you need to pay back the student loan. Otherwise the student loan companies will go bust. So what do they do? Alter the job description so all the Degree holders can now have a full time job, and sod the folk who had done the jobs for years before, without any qualifications.

And there's a whole heap more, but I've had my rant. Apart from the postage. If we have to do everything by email soon, who is going to buy me my new computer? I can't afford another one now.


Edited by granny (23rd May 2012 12:11am)
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