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#69108 - 20th Feb 2006 6:05pm North Wales : Hundreds of cars face the crusher
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Hundreds of cars face the crusher
A major crackdown on criminals on the roads of north Wales
has seen 350 cars crushed in just one month.



The force said Operation Debar was the largest initiative
of its kind in the UK.

In total, nearly 1,700 cars were seized and 133 arrests were made,
as drivers without a licence or insurance and
road tax dodgers were targeted.

The operation also involved the vehicle licence agency,
the DVLA, and the Motor Insurer's Bureau.

Officers were equipped with automatic number
plate recognition systems.

North Wales Police say a wide variety of offences were detected,
including possession and supply of drugs, car theft, drink-driving,
possession of offensive weapons, deception and fraud.

Illegal immigrants were also discovered.

In one incident, two men in a 4x4 car were arrested on
suspicion of possessing Class A drugs and cannabis.
During a search, £24,500 was seized and police inquiries are continuing.


People who don't pay tax or insurance are often involved
in other forms of criminality

Deputy Chief Constable Clive Wolfendale

During the operation, each of the 16 policing districts in north Wales
was visited at least once by a team of officers using number plate reading cameras.

Computers instantly cross-checked details on tax and insurance databases.

The deputy chief constable of North Wales Police, Clive Wolfendale, hailed the success of the initiative.

"We've seized cars which haven't been taxed for a period of at least 8
weeks and are not insured. So this isn't for people who've just
slipped up and haven't gone to the post office the next day," he said.
"We've been targeting people who habitually misuse vehicles,
don't have insurance, don't have tax and are defaulters.
Let's remember that the people who don't pay tax or insurance
make it more expensive for the rest of us."

The deputy chief constable stressed that a wide variety
of non-motoring offences had been detected during Operation Debar.

"We do find that people who don't pay tax or insurance are
often involved in other forms of criminality. it's been a great success,
tackling criminality rather than the ordinary motorist."

"By targeting the vehicles we are effectively tackling the
criminal fraternity and the resources they can call upon.

bbc.co.uk
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#69109 - 21st Feb 2006 1:28am Re: North Wales : Hundreds of cars face the crusher
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But offocer, i tried to tax my car last week but they insisted i had to have a MOT & Insurance..... smack

This driving lark i very expensive i tell you, MOT, Insurance and TAX......

God, the govenment dont half expect allot i tell you.

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#69110 - 9th Apr 2006 8:48am Re: North Wales : Hundreds of cars face the crusher
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Yes, but think of it this way and it does not seem so bad:

MOT - Is an excellent thing, keeps dangerous vehicles off the road (supposedly) and can save lives.

TAX - The amount the majority of us spend on petrol makes the cost of tax seem miniscule in comparison. And the roads do have to be maintained so road tax is worth every penny (even if 70% of the roads are crap)

Insurance - Its true that it can be high cost, but when you have a crash or your vehicle vandalised/robbed, you realise how important it really is and why it is so expensive.

In my opinion, all three things are worth the money, at the end of the day, if we cannot afford them, we have options open to us all, either buy a smaller and less powerful vehicle (saves money on tax and insurance) or if we still cannot afford it then, don't drive a car at all.

The thing I "really" object to is fines (not points so much) with speed cameras and the absurd cost of petrol due to taxation levels. Having said that, we will all continue to buy petrol no matter what the price.

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#69111 - 9th Apr 2006 11:48am Re: North Wales : Hundreds of cars face the crusher
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As much as we all dont like it we all have to pay it,if u havent got tax,insurance or MOT then u do deserve the apropriate punishment (unless its declared off the road or another genuine reason why its not insured)

does a car NEED MOT/insurance to sit on the roadside??

I hope they aint crushing peoples cars without consulting them first.Just imagine if ur car was outside your house and it was due its RE-MOT that afternoon and it was towed and crushed (due to not having an mot)
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#69112 - 9th Apr 2006 12:28pm Re: North Wales : Hundreds of cars face the crusher
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Quote:
Originally posted by scoop2004:


does a car NEED MOT/insurance to sit on the roadside??

Yes smack

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#69113 - 11th Apr 2006 10:17am Re: North Wales : Hundreds of cars face the crusher
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if ur car was outside your house and it was due its RE-MOT that afternoon and it was towed and crushed (due to not having an mot)
In that case it would be ok, it still has an MOT.

I dont think MOT's are, at the moment, stored in any official database (I could be wrong), you would need to produce your docs probs.
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#69114 - 11th Apr 2006 10:28am Re: North Wales : Hundreds of cars face the crusher
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Quote:
Originally posted by AX_125:

I dont think MOT's are, at the moment, stored in any official database (I could be wrong), you would need to produce your docs probs.
Thats all changing at the moment, the new MOTs, where the certificate is printed rather than written are coming in to effect now.

Within a year all cars on the road with an MOT will be on this database.

The reg of the car will soon show:

Registered keeper and details
If its insured.
If its Taxed
If its MOT'd

If all your docs are in order, and you carry your license, 7 day producers will soon be a thing of the past!
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#69115 - 11th Apr 2006 10:47am Re: North Wales : Hundreds of cars face the crusher
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Good Good, hopefully we might get automated reminders about our MOT's
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#69116 - 15th Apr 2006 9:57pm Re: North Wales : Hundreds of cars face the crusher
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a pal of my wifes got there car taken off them in flint in the week for no insurance there own fault i say.
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#69117 - 16th Apr 2006 1:46am Re: North Wales : Hundreds of cars face the crusher
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Loc: west mids
Quote:
Originally posted by MattyC:
Yes, but think of it this way and it does not seem so bad:

MOT - Is an excellent thing, keeps dangerous vehicles off the road (supposedly) and can save lives.

TAX - The amount the majority of us spend on petrol makes the cost of tax seem miniscule in comparison. And the roads do have to be maintained so road tax is worth every penny (even if 70% of the roads are crap)

Insurance - Its true that it can be high cost, but when you have a crash or your vehicle vandalised/robbed, you realise how important it really is and why it is so expensive.

In my opinion, all three things are worth the money, at the end of the day, if we cannot afford them, we have options open to us all, either buy a smaller and less powerful vehicle (saves money on tax and insurance) or if we still cannot afford it then, don't drive a car at all.

The thing I "really" object to is fines (not points so much) with speed cameras and the absurd cost of petrol due to taxation levels. Having said that, we will all continue to buy petrol no matter what the price.

smile
DUUUUUUUUUDE WHERE THE **** HAVE U BEEN 4 THE PAST GODNOS HOW MANY YRS!!!ur tax money goes on speed cameras not roads.

nhs thats goin down the pan etc etc etcin blaCK AND WHITE THE SOONER EVERY1 REALISES IT THE BETTER.

i personally have a damn good idea with the way the countrys goin why cant the rest of the uk which is why i want out im try 2 get us all contracted out 2 madrid any1 whos had enough of the coutry and wants out say ay! thumbsdown thumbsdown thumbsdown
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#69118 - 16th Apr 2006 1:49am Re: North Wales : Hundreds of cars face the crusher
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Quote:
Originally posted by StuyMac:
Quote:
Originally posted by AX_125:
[b]
I dont think MOT's are, at the moment, stored in any official database (I could be wrong), you would need to produce your docs probs.
Thats all changing at the moment, the new MOTs, where the certificate is printed rather than written are coming in to effect now.

Within a year all cars on the road with an MOT will be on this database.

The reg of the car will soon show:

Registered keeper and details
If its insured.
If its Taxed
If its MOT'd

If all your docs are in order, and you carry your license, 7 day producers will soon be a thing of the past! [/b]
all computers crashed about 3 times now wat a shame not lol thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup oh can i just say i fit cctv cameras 4 a living and ive never drove a car untaxed,uninsured or wihout an mot but id just like 2 say wat a load of bollocks lol it nt 4 the good of people its 4 them selves makin more money i fit cctv remember i work in police stations technoligy is getting awfully frightfull now.

u should see wat ive seen ud think wtf!!! smack
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