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#665981 - 11th Feb 2012 7:20pm Smoked by a Windows Phone
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I know the vid is from CES a few weeks ago, but apparently they started running the challenge in US phone stores yesterday, so I hope it comes over here, then they should make it 100 lol, I wanna take the challenge laugh



Day 1's Victims...

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Motorola DROID x2
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Samnsung Galaxy Nexus
HTC EVO 4G
Samsung Skyrocket
Blackberry Bold
Blackberry Curve
Palm Pre Plus

I see they had nobody with a Windows Mobile to pit it against, now that is what I wanna see, WM vs WP lol...

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#666014 - 11th Feb 2012 8:23pm Re: Smoked by a Windows Phone [Re: MattLFC]
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My friend has one and I was quite surprised that it was better than I thought it would be. Not sure I could sacrifice my android as it still seems to lack features and apps etc but would probably get one over an iphone
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#666021 - 11th Feb 2012 8:39pm Re: Smoked by a Windows Phone [Re: MattLFC]
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It has all the main apps (over 50,000 to be precise) so apps are generally not an issue (only noteable exception is Opera Mini nowadays though there is ways to use it, and Google are trying to prevent [unsuccessfully] Youtube apps from working, but its near-impossible to do so).

I don't know if it lacks "features" as such, but they certainly don't give the user 100% control over everything like Andoid or Windows Mobile do - but that's the whole point of WP, to make everything intuitive, and work seemlessly (Microsoft learnt bigtime with their WM failings in the consumer market). Metro works like a dream on a phone, I can't wait to see how it runs on tablets with Windows 8.

Lucky for me, it's upgrade time, and I'm gonna jump to a Nokia 710 once they get white and cyan handsets out (who wants boring old black, urgh) for its hard buttons and funky design, the lack of Opera Mini is still a concern for me, but everything else is just perfect. Certainly beats the very stale iOS GUI hands down, makes it look and feel very outdated and clunky.

I'd choose Android for control and wide-range of specs and options, WP for simplicity and performance, iPhone for a fashion statement (though the Nokia 800 is a serious contender) and simplicity and Blackberry for those on a limited budget. Seem's there almost a smartphone for every type of person. Tis just a shame HP threw in the towel when they did!!

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#666026 - 11th Feb 2012 8:45pm Re: Smoked by a Windows Phone [Re: MattLFC]
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Funny thing is as well, Microsoft make more money from every Android handset sold, than they do from the license fee for every Windows Phone sold. They also make money out of every iPhone sold.

So it's seemingly a win-win for their mobile division, no matter what you choose to buy - probably why they can afford to offer $100 challenge haha!!

When it was first introduced, as a long-term WinMo user, I was initially very sceptical of Windows Phone and where it was going, but Mango (7.5) was the gamechanger for me.

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#666203 - 12th Feb 2012 5:39pm Re: Smoked by a Windows Phone [Re: MattLFC]
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Hang about.

I dont know what kind of publicity stunt this is but its a scam. Windows phone is truly awfull! Android is still in beta and wont be finished for years, honeycomb is good but miles away from a polished finish. Oh and just to proove why WP is awfull watch this...

Really funny.



Teen Anal anyone? WTF!


Edited by TheComputerLab (12th Feb 2012 5:39pm)

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#666211 - 12th Feb 2012 6:29pm Re: Smoked by a Windows Phone [Re: MattLFC]
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It's not a scam mate - they're rolling the challenge out to US phone stores. You actually have to use Windows Phone to appreciate how fast, stable and efficient the system is - and how seamless everything operates, how it just simply "works".

The OS has received critical acclaim from all sides of the spectrum, and 2012 is being touted within the tech world as the year of the Windows Phone, even pro-iPhone journalists are now questioning/demanding that Apple need to to up their game significantly if they want to compete with WP7.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/why-i-dont-want-an-iphone-any-more-50006257/

Of course it's not perfect; WP7 is just the start - WP7.5 put right a lot of the criticisms myself and other WinMo loyalists had slated it for initially, the G2 devices ironed out any lingering flaws that existed in the G1 devices, and WP8 will be out by the end of 2012. This time last year, WP7 was still finding it's feet, manufacturers were still getting to grips with having to comply with strict handset specifications (which, like the iPhone, ensure QoS) and the "new" handsets were almost carbon-copies of the final range of WinMo handsets, but with improved CPU's and 3 buttons instead of 4 (7 Pro = TP2, HD7 = HD2 etc...), developers were still wondering whether apps were worth the time and effort (everything on WinMo got "warezed" and there wasn't enough handsets in peoples hands to warrant development, manufacturers were even still producing WinMo handsets at the time, Microsoft didn't have the biggest phone manufacturer on earth onboard (Nokia), and the handsets that were out, were expensive and people did not know what to expect (another WinMo experience, or something better?). Nokia's sales of the Lumia 800 are approaching the 2 million mark, a handset that was launched just 9 weeks ago! Shops are even actively pushing Windows Phone handsets now, the Lumia being the flagship, and fast becoming an icon - compare this to a year ago, when all any shop wanted to sell you was an iPhone, and the staff in the shop's had not even heard of Windows Phone, or completely disregarded it, making statements how it was "out of date" (it is the newest OS to market) and how it was for business customers and no interest to most (the truth couldn't be any further away - WinMo became a business OS, WP7 was, from day one, built with the objective of not being a business OS - if Microsoft wanted that, WinMo 7 would have been released in 2008). There is even muted talk of RIM, with some of their investors pushing the idea, eventually changing over to WP in light of their QNX delays and anticipated adoption problems. Indeed, Nokia had various choices when choosing an OS to go with, a choice that will make-or-break Nokia's desire to return to the dominant western phone manufacturer. Some of those choices included:

- Windows Phone
- Meego
- Maemo
- Symbian
- Android
- Bada/Tizen
- WebOS

Nokia are a company with HUGE aspirations, being the biggest manufacturer or phones in the world, carries high expectations from shareholders. Nokia chose Windows Phone above all the others - an Elop connection or no Elop connection, if they believed any other OS available to them was better, they'd have gone with it.

WP7 was built from scratch (it bears no relation to Windows Mobile, which was scrapped half-way through development of WinMo 7/Photon), so it is still not fully developed either.

I fail to see how that shows why Windows Phone is awful; day-today usage decides if it's awful or not, not a pointless application. It's one small element, that realistically, nobody uses in everyday usage - which could also be a scam (in fact, is very likely to be - for instance we don't even know what version of WP is on the device). TellMe was out a long time before Siri, and is till in development. On the basis of a 2 minute video, you have come to the conclusion that almost everyone else within the tech-world is wrong?? Very strange...

Apple diehards will never be convinced anything is better, if Apple started selling pieces or turn with their badge on it and called it iShit, people would buy it. Microsoft, Nokia, HTC, Samsung, ZTE, Dell, LG arnt interested in Apple fanbois, the few people who have 500 to throw on a phone every 12 months - they are interested in the mass-market.

Are you honestly suggesting the iPhone 4s was what you were expecting from Apple? They are sticking to their guns, touting the same old shit, and the rest of the industry is leaving them behind. The iOS GUI was revolutionary in its day, it changed everything. But it's "day" was 2007, and we are now in 2012. Just like Windows Mobile was once way ahead of its time, but that was in 2002, and Microsoft were still trying to plug it right upto 2010. The world does not stand still, and no amount of feature recycling/rebranding will help Apple keep up with the competition. The only people who buy into Apples "give it a fancy name to make it seem somehow better then the rest" philosophy are fanbois, of which there is a lot, but the industry are beginning to get tired of seeing the same old stale GUI time and time again, with Apple seeming scared witless to rock the boat, to try and replicate what they did so well in 2007 with the original iPhone and bring to market, the most innovative product imaginable - nope, Palm and Microsoft have done that in 2009 and 2011 respectively, and Apple have been found wanting.

What can I say; Steve Jobs is dead, and with him died Apples vision, aspiration and knowledge of his demographic - the world. Steve Jobs made that company what they are, developed the products into what they became and listened to, and could forsee what the world wanted. Nobody else in Apple seems to be capable of doing that - the iPhone 5 will be deal-breaker for many, it "has" to do something more than just recycle age-old tech into "iTech", it has to fundamentally change the way we do things - if it doesn't, people won't stick around forever, as the once in-fashion Nokia found out with the drawn-out demise of Symbian.

And fyi, Ice Cream Sandwich blows Honeycomb to pieces - hardly fair to use an out-of-date OS as a modern-day benchmark (yes, we know Apple are still plugging their 5 year old GUI). Honeycomb was always a bit of a mess in all honesty, and not where Android was ever going to stay.

Microsoft have a lot of people by the short and curlies now, which is why they can literally throw money at the mobile division, like nobody else - they are making money on practically every smartphone sold, irrespective of OS - and are seemingly the only company who has not got themselves involved in an ongoing soap-opera of patent battles - a problem that is forcing the others to take their eyes off the ball, to restrict their future development to avoid future disputes - meanwhile, Microsoft are creaming money off everyone else, and concentrating hard on blowing the "iDroid" market monopoly to pieces...

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#666502 - 13th Feb 2012 7:50pm Re: Smoked by a Windows Phone [Re: MattLFC]
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Thats a very good post. I am not a fan of any OS really i try to use which ever is the best. The iphone is starting to look a bit stale and the release of the 4s was pointless.

My renewal is in August and i do hope that there is a viable alternative to Iphone but i think i will probably just keep my iphone 4 until something decent is on the market..

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#666506 - 13th Feb 2012 7:59pm Re: Smoked by a Windows Phone [Re: MattLFC]
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I think it's just a case of whatever suit's you best. Plenty of people will stick with the iPhone/Android/WebOS etc, regardless of what comes out, because if it's not borken, why change it. I'm of a similar opinion with regards Windows Mobile, but as it's no longer supported in any way by Microsoft and developers, I know it's living on borrowed time. I've been running Froyo on it, and to me, it seems too much like WinMo - clunky, incomplete and geeky. Which would have suited me once upon a time, but now I just want simplicity, smoothness and reliability.

With the demise of WebOS, imho, it leaves me with two options; iOS and Windows Phone. Right now, Windows Phone is the better OS in my own opinion, basically because Apple have not kept up and Microsoft have sweat blood and tears, and caught onto a fantastic new GUI implementation, to ensure they are gunning for market-share.

The core problem with Apple sitting back on their laurels, while the competition surpass their once-revolutionary GUI's and user-experiences, is if I were paying 500 (or signing into a ridiculously expensive contract) of my hard-earned every 12 months or so, I'd want something that was absolutely top-notch, ahead of the game, and something that was different to last time, and certainly the time before that.

The iPhone 4s failed to deliver that, and iOS 4 and 5 both failed to deliver that. The iPhone 5 "has" to change everything - just like the advert says!!

It needs to for the rest of us non-iOS users, if only to keep Microsoft and Google on their toes, and the innovation flowing.

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