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#597203 - 9th Oct 2011 4:21pm Help! Problem With Civil Service Job Application
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Please can somebody help me with a problem regarding a Civil Service job application for an AO post?

The problem is that the department requires me to get a countersignatory to complete their official vetting form attesting to the fact that the person has known me for over a year. Unfortunately, there is more to it: they said that it is not acceptable to nominate just a doctor or any other person of such standing on professional basis, but that the person should also know me socially too! Ridiculous! I mean, for God's sake, how many people form social connections with their doctor or policeman or local councillor?

As I do not socialise with people who qualify as possible countersignatories (e.g. my doctor, my local jobcentre advisor), I don't know what on earth I am going to do to get this accursed countersignatory form completed. I mean, there is a chap at my local jobcentre who has known me for a few years, and I am sure that in his capacity as a civil servant, he would complete the form for me. However, I do NOT socialise with him outside work.

This countersignatory problem is going to hinder me in applying for this Civil Service job, so I would dearly welcome any advice any of you could give me here.

Thanks.

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#597205 - 9th Oct 2011 4:27pm Re: Help! Problem With Civil Service Job Application [Re: Jobneeded67]
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I'm just the opposite, all my friends are police & doctors etc.

Oh well back to my cell now....

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#597208 - 9th Oct 2011 4:31pm Re: Help! Problem With Civil Service Job Application [Re: paulph1972]
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It doesn't mean they have to be doctors etc, it means someone you've known for over 12 months, they just don't want you turning up at the docs and you don't know them.

PS, don't get anyone like Myra Hindley.
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#597215 - 9th Oct 2011 4:43pm Re: Help! Problem With Civil Service Job Application [Re: bert1]
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Yes, I know. It's not just confined to doctors, but their list of possible countersignatories extended to many other professions too (e.g. civil servants, police, care workers, bank managers etc. etc.).

I can get offical people to sign it, no problem. It's just this damn socialising-with part. All this accursed red tape!

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#597218 - 9th Oct 2011 4:45pm Re: Help! Problem With Civil Service Job Application [Re: Jobneeded67]
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I have to do something similar to this where I've had to have known them a year but also had regular contact with them throughout that year, while still being a 'person of standing in the community' i.e. doctors and that, it can be difficult! It gives some examples on one of the forms like an accountant, barristers, solicitors, police officers, pharmacist, officer of the British armed forces, Member of Parliament, senior nurse and some school related ones like teachers and lecturers. I'm using the manager of the Wirral CAB because of volunteering there and one of my lecturers.

Hope that helps in some way! I had to ask as I didn't know anyone like my dentist or doctors properly or been in regular contact with them so I was in the same position as you, good luck!

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#597220 - 9th Oct 2011 4:47pm Re: Help! Problem With Civil Service Job Application [Re: Jobneeded67]
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Does it actually say a countersignatory that you socialise with?
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#597240 - 9th Oct 2011 5:19pm Re: Help! Problem With Civil Service Job Application [Re: Jobneeded67]
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If it helps you get the job then I'll bloody well sign it.

I'm a 'professional' and for the purposes of things like this I count.

I also feel like I've known you for 25 years.
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#597261 - 9th Oct 2011 5:40pm Re: Help! Problem With Civil Service Job Application [Re: poodlepup]
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The Official Countersignatory form actually says: "It not sufficient to nominate someone you know professionally, such as a doctor or solicitor, unless you know them socially as well."

I am really stuck here trying to find somebody. I mean, come ON, how many of us socialise with our professional contacts?

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#597268 - 9th Oct 2011 5:45pm Re: Help! Problem With Civil Service Job Application [Re: Jobneeded67]
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I have loads of friends who are professionals and I wouldn't struggle with this.

Maybe they are trying to ensure certain types don't apply?
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#597279 - 9th Oct 2011 5:55pm Re: Help! Problem With Civil Service Job Application [Re: AlexB]
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Oh well, you're one of the lucky ones, aren't you.

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#597280 - 9th Oct 2011 5:55pm Re: Help! Problem With Civil Service Job Application [Re: Jobneeded67]
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Since when has being a professional equalled being a paragon of probity and trustworthiness? These are some of the most dishonest, bent parasites the world has ever known.Just my opinion of course.

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#597282 - 9th Oct 2011 5:56pm Re: Help! Problem With Civil Service Job Application [Re: Jobneeded67]
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Originally Posted By: Jobneeded67
Oh well, you're one of the lucky ones, aren't you.


You finally get a bit of help and still complain about it, sigh!

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#597286 - 9th Oct 2011 5:59pm Re: Help! Problem With Civil Service Job Application [Re: GrandMasterFlash]
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Originally Posted By: GrandMasterFlash
Originally Posted By: Jobneeded67
Oh well, you're one of the lucky ones, aren't you.


You finally get a bit of help and still complain about it, sigh!


Exactly, want me to sign it or not?
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#597287 - 9th Oct 2011 5:59pm Re: Help! Problem With Civil Service Job Application [Re: Jobneeded67]
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Originally Posted By: Jobneeded67
Oh well, you're one of the lucky ones, aren't you.


Yes.
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#597294 - 9th Oct 2011 6:04pm Re: Help! Problem With Civil Service Job Application [Re: Jobneeded67]
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Alex said that she would help you and you dont seem greatful

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