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#562698 - 15th Aug 2011 4:58pm church for sale
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A CHURCH at the centre of a controversial
sharing deal following the closure of Ss
Peter and Paul church in New Brighton, is
up for Sale.
Designed by Sir Giles Gilbert Scott, the
architect who conceived Liverpool’ s
Anglican Cathedral, All Saints Church in
Hoseside Road, Wallasey has a guide price
of £250,000.
Among the options being considered for
the building are use by faith groups,
community use and commercial
development.
All Saints was involved in a sharing
arrangement between Anglican and
Catholic dioceses when the iconic Ss Peter
and Paul's church – known by sailors as
the "Dome of Home" - was closed down.
After that agreement was scrapped the
Catholic Shrewsbury Diocese issued a
decree to merge the parishes of SS Peter
and Paul and English Martyrs in Wallasey
Village earlier this year.
It resulted in service resuming in the day
chapel of Ss Peter and Paul in March; but
All Saints Church was unable to continue.
A spokesman for the Diocese of Chester
said: "We will be looking for a buyer who
will put the building to a suitable use
which does not conflict with Church of
England values. "
Chester- based agent Denton Clark said
informal discussions with Wirral Council
planers indicated that a variety of
proposals were likely to be favourably
received.

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#562809 - 15th Aug 2011 7:37pm Re: church for sale [Re: chev_chelios]
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#562848 - 15th Aug 2011 8:25pm Re: church for sale [Re: chev_chelios]
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The last I heard on this, they were being forced to open it again after being in defiance of the Vatican for a period of time.

I'm wondering if the Vatican is aware they are now selling it???
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#562900 - 15th Aug 2011 9:44pm Re: church for sale [Re: chev_chelios]
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If I can put together a decent plan for residential apartments, then watch out Wallasey, I'm going for it. Anyone want to live in a church?

An acquaintance of mine reckons it will make decent offices. As if.

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#562976 - 16th Aug 2011 1:13am Re: church for sale [Re: ]
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Hoseside rd for Sale...not the one in New Brighton?????

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#562980 - 16th Aug 2011 2:07am Re: church for sale [Re: chev_chelios]
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doh, I completely mis-read that, yes, All Saints is the church for Sale, the very squarish one beside the captains pit.
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#562991 - 16th Aug 2011 7:56am Re: church for sale [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Originally Posted By: diggingdeeper
doh, I completely mis-read that, yes, All Saints is the church for Sale, the very squarish one beside the captains pit.



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#562996 - 16th Aug 2011 8:35am Re: church for sale [Re: chev_chelios]
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#563005 - 16th Aug 2011 8:44am Re: church for sale [Re: Mark]
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#563035 - 16th Aug 2011 10:25am Re: church for sale [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Originally Posted By: diggingdeeper
doh, I completely mis-read that, yes, All Saints is the church for Sale, the very squarish one beside the captains pit.


According to the noticeboard outside All Saints, the Anglican Congregation at All Saints have been merged with that of St Nicholas, Wallasey Village and services now held there.

My friend, a Roman Catholic now goes to St Peter&Pauls New Brighton for services in a side chapel, but most services are in the sister parish of Holy Apostles and Martyers(previously called English Martyrs Church). There are plans for a Roman Catholic Order to take over the running of St Peters and Pauls Church:
From Catholic Herald article 27/05/2011 (CatholicHerald.co.uk)

A traditionalist order has agreed to take over a landmark church in the Wirral that was closed for worship three years ago.

The Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest (ICKSP) will establish its first house in England and Wales in Church of Ss Peter and Paul, New Brighton, later this year.

Bishop Mark Davies of Shrewsbury and the institute’s general prior, Mgr Gilles Wach, agreed to establish the foundation in the church, which was closed amid protests three years ago.

Under the auspices of the traditionalist institute, Ss Peter and St Paul’s will become a centre for the Extraordinary Form Mass. Mgr Wach’s institute, headquartered in Gricigliano, near Florence, was given pontifical approval as a Society of Apostolic Life in 2008 and celebrates the sacraments according to the older form of the Roman Rite.

They currently have no houses in England and Wales, but send over priests from Belgium to say Sunday Mass in four English dioceses.

Bishop Davies was approached by the institute last year and met Mgr Wach after Easter to negotiate establishing the foundation. He also consulted with his fellow bishops in the North of England, the Patrimony Committee of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of England and Wales, and English Heritage about the Church’s future.

He re-opened the Dome of Home, as the Wirral Church is known, earlier this year after his predecessor closed it in 2008 as being too large and too costly to maintain.

After a concerted campaign by parishioners, the Vatican ruled in 2009 that the then Bishop Brian Noble had failed to follow the correct canonical procedure when closing the church. It later withdrew the ruling when it was assured that the parish’s move to a nearby Anglican parish was temporary.

A diocesan spokesman said: “The members of the institute will work in close collaboration with Fr Philip Moor, the parish priest of the Parish of the Holy Apostles and Martyrs, since it is the wish of Bishop Davies that this shrine church will express the harmony between the two usages of the one Roman Rite.

“As the Holy Father, Pope Benedict, reminded us in his 2007 Moto Proprio, Summorum Pontificum, ‘there is no contradiction between the two editions of the Roman Missal’, it is the sincere hope of the bishop that this establishment will foster reconciliation at the heart of the Church: one of the express aims of the 2007 papal document.

“Finally, the foundation will ensure that the patrimony of the church building so dear to Catholics and other members of the local community is secured and continues to bear witness to the faith and mission of the Church.”

The local Roman Catholics are hoping that when the Order takes over Sts P&P that services will be in English as well as Latin.

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#563186 - 16th Aug 2011 4:37pm Re: church for sale [Re: paxvobiscum]
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Realistically, what are the possible uses for this church? Apartments, community centre etc or will it just become another derelict magnet for scallies?

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#563534 - 16th Aug 2011 11:26pm Re: church for sale [Re: Touchstone]
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Aww I'm really sad about the closing and selling of this church - not that I am remotely religious but this has been the place that my children who go to Mount Primary and the children from Elleray Park School have met to perform their Easter/Christmas services

I suspect the church will be razed by a developer unless a charity buys the plot and keeps the building as it is and turns it into a community centre - but I think the former will apply frown

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#563567 - 17th Aug 2011 12:30am Re: church for sale [Re: amaterasu]
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Originally Posted By: amaterasu
Aww I'm really sad about the closing and selling of this church - not that I am remotely religious but this has been the place that my children who go to Mount Primary and the children from Elleray Park School have met to perform their Easter/Christmas services

I suspect the church will be razed by a developer unless a charity buys the plot and keeps the building as it is and turns it into a community centre - but I think the former will apply frown
I agree its sad another church gone!!
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#563573 - 17th Aug 2011 1:01am Re: church for sale [Re: chev_chelios]
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This place was still open when we explored it in July. There's decoration going on inside it.


Edited by ex0__ (17th Aug 2011 1:01am)
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#563603 - 17th Aug 2011 8:28am Re: church for sale [Re: ex0__]
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This place was still open when we explored it in July. There's decoration going on inside it.


Sorry, ignore this. Was talking about SS Peter and Paul with the big blue dome thing. Must have been tired last night and didn't read the entire thread closely enough.
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