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well done nobody ........the guy got charged with man slaughter for his arratic driving.
I didnt state he was murderd.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses
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Im not a religious man and i dont belive in god. But in the bible it states quite clealy. Tho shalt not kill. So the person who flicks the switch on the electric chair ,the person who gives the injection. They are in fact ending someones life.
Exodus 21:12-14 12 "Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. 13 However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to flee to a place I will designate. 14 But if a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, take him away from my altar and put him to death.
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I'd like us to move towards a more Middle East style of punishment and crim-enforcement, I particuarly admire the legal system that the UAE countries have in place for instance; but the death penalty is a sticking point, because of the risk of human error, and the fact it is not reversible. Ah, crap, sorry Muhammed, it was Mustafa who raped Miss. Kavindra. Here's your hand, quick, to the hospital, we'll jolly well reattach it.
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I understand perfectly well the British Legal System. However, I tell you what - if other countries can do it, then why can't we? If the evidence speaks for itself, and the murderer is caught - then why shouldnt they have the death penalty?
I agree with the death penalty, I don't believe that the wrong person should die. However if the evidence is damning, or the evidence is there and they get a confession - then why shouldn't we have it.
I have different views to most people with living in a strict country for most of my life. I have seen things differently, I have different morals and values to most people.... Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the death penalty, I'd like to see it implemented in some manner, but again the argument that if "the evidence is damning" etc, the person should be hanged, does not apply in the British legal system, as only the guilty are (supposedly) convicted of crimes. I'd like us to move towards a more Middle East style of punishment and crim-enforcement, I particuarly admire the legal system that the UAE countries have in place for instance; but the death penalty is a sticking point, because of the risk of human error, and the fact it is not reversible. In some respects, is it not also giving the coward, the cowards way out? How about making them suffera PoW enviroment for 30+ years instead, with basic food and clothing provided, basic meals, world service for comfort and stuck in a padded cell, with no entitlement to early release etc... Matt, it wasn't long ago a Britich national was in a jail in Dubai - and due to the way he was treated whilst in there, with limited amounts of food, surviving in squalor....he got battered to death by the guards in that prison. The family had no way of finding out why he was even put in there, and why he was treated the way he was. I'm not saying that we should go by all the rules of the middle eastern countries, because trust me not all of them are nice places. But I tell you what, when it comes to chopping hands off for crimes, and beheading for crimes - yes it may be barbaric, but they dont have crime!! It's easy for me, because I don't do drugs, I don't drink very often (maybe once a month if that)...I dont fight, I have never been involved with police....I can say that. But for people who do, do these things, they wont like stricter punishments, will they?
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well done nobody ........the guy got charged with man slaughter for his arratic driving.
I didnt state he was murderd. I didn't say you did, but the debate is on the death penalty for murder. I presume, and I'm sorry if I'm raking up bad memories, that the driver was done for death by dangerous driving, as manslaughter would be a very difficult one. He didn't set out to intentionally kill anyone and this is very different to premeditated murder.
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I'd like us to move towards a more Middle East style of punishment and crim-enforcement, I particuarly admire the legal system that the UAE countries have in place for instance; but the death penalty is a sticking point, because of the risk of human error, and the fact it is not reversible. Ah, crap, sorry Muhammed, it was Mustafa who raped Miss. Kavindra. Here's your hand, quick, to the hospital, we'll jolly well reattach it. Rape is a particularly bad thing in Saudi, this si the reason why alcohol is banned. Due to the fact that, years and years ago, in the royal family, a prince got drunk and raped a young girl....it was very bad for the country, due to this....alcohol was banned, and the prince was put to death (most ptobably by stoneing) which is what it still is in most Middle Eastern countries now.
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Im not a religious man and i dont belive in god. But in the bible it states quite clealy. Tho shalt not kill. So the person who flicks the switch on the electric chair ,the person who gives the injection. They are in fact ending someones life.
Exodus 21:12-14 12 "Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. 13 However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to flee to a place I will designate. 14 But if a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, take him away from my altar and put him to death. Sorry mate but pasting in text from an E-Bible just doesnt back any thing up. The bible is well known for contradicting things. You must stone a man if he cuts his sideburn hair etc etc. Im a man of science not faith. Its a very hard thing to discuss, i dont want my money being spent on rapists or murders etc but i certainly dont want to kill people for killing people. I love the way every one has very strong views on this topic. Its very healthy to have, Im not here to tell people what to think. Im not like that.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses
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If your a man of science, you wouldn't have even brought up the bible - no-body else did!
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I love the way every one has very strong views on this topic. Its very healthy to have, Im not here to tell people what to think. Im not like that.
Agree. I think this thread has been quite a good one to participate in as well.
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If your a man of science, you wouldn't have even brought up the bible - no-body else did! Er...
Exodus 21:12-14
12 "Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death.
13 However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to flee to a place I will designate.
14 But if a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, take him away from my altar and put him to death.
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I was saying that becuase a high proportion of people have faith in god and lead their life by the bible.
Why wouldnt I bring in the bible? Its the foundation of our law system is it not? i could be wrong.
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Yeh he only brought it up once JohnLeatherFix did! lol
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I was saying that becuase a high proportion of people have faith in god and lead their life by the bible.
Why wouldnt I bring in the bible? Its the foundation of our law system is it not? i could be wrong. Yes the only problem I have with the Bible/Koran etc is, this is why we have so many civil wars (Libya, Syria etc)...which cause people to murder...so obviously setting the Bible as your example isn't always the best way to be :-S
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I'll let you off Nikki haha.
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Im not a religious man and i dont belive in god. But in the bible it states quite clealy. Tho shalt not kill. So the person who flicks the switch on the electric chair ,the person who gives the injection. They are in fact ending someones life.
Exodus 21:12-14 12 "Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. 13 However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to flee to a place I will designate. 14 But if a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, take him away from my altar and put him to death. Sorry mate but pasting in text from an E-Bible just doesnt back any thing up. The bible is well known for contradicting things. You must stone a man if he cuts his sideburn hair etc etc. Im a man of science not faith. Its a very hard thing to discuss, i dont want my money being spent on rapists or murders etc but i certainly dont want to kill people for killing people. I love the way every one has very strong views on this topic. Its very healthy to have, Im not here to tell people what to think. Im not like that. So you're just a troll then, the bible's ok when it suits your arguement, but when it goes against............
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