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Probably. Just let them thrash it out on their own. They'll probably end up killing each other, just one will remain. We can then kill him - job done happy


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Originally Posted by bert1
I'll ask the question i always ask, what if you hang the wrong person?


mistaken identity is a terrible crime, this was probs why the deth penlty was removed in the first place, even with the dna system nothing can be clear cut

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There can be no argument. Definitely the death sentence for text speak !!!

Maybe mixing my posts up here ?

Whatever..... Can I have Albert Pierrepoint's job please ?

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Just make life mean life and make the prisons tougher, like the bloke in Arpao County has done to his. Anyone who goes to the nick should not relish going back again, him or his folks.


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I say bring back the death penalty.

I used to live in Saudi Arabia, and their punishments are really really harsh - but I tell you now, their crime rate is next to none!!

I say bring it back! If you don't do anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about do you.


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Originally Posted by Spritey_Nikki

I say bring it back! If you don't do anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about do you.


I'll answer that with this;

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I'll ask the question i always ask, what if you hang the wrong person?

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Just one example

Timothy Evans in the United Kingdom, was tried and executed in 1950 for the murder of his baby daughter Geraldine. An official inquiry conducted 16 years later determined that it was Evans's fellow tenant, serial killer John Reginald Halliday Christie, who was responsible for the murder. Christie also admitted to the murder of Evans's wife as well as five other women and his own wife. Christie may have murderded other women, judging by evidence found in his possession at the time of his arrest, but it was never pursued by the police. Evans was pardoned posthumously following this, in 1966. The case prompted the abolition of capital punishment in the UK in 1965.



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Things have moved on a bit since then Bert - if you have conclusive forensic evidence, and a confession it could be a different kettle of fish...


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1950 is a far cry from the technology of today making it much easier to gain evidence.

There's much less margin for error and sometimes, it's obvious.

I'm in two minds. Since I don't plan on killing anyone, I don't care if other killers get a lethal injection.

Since I pay taxes, I'd rather not see them support a murderer in prison.

I wouldn't like to be killed if somehow someone managed to frame me or some weird evidence came to light or a mistake was made.

Cleverer people than us will debate this, and no doubt their opinions will be divided too.

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Yes I agree 'Nobody' there is going to be much deliberation about this from people far more higher and important than ourselves.

And bert, yes it could be a big problem if someone was to be hanged in error. However, as it has been said, with how far science has come, it is going to be unlikely that someone is going to be given the death penalty if there is reasonable doubt they are innocent.

I mean look at all the people we have in this country - Ian Huntley, Milly Dowlers' murderer etc...surely you would prefer not to see people like that walk the streets after being in prison only half of their sentence. I'm sorry but I totally agree with the death penalty.

When I lived in Saudi, they let people watch the punishments. They would chop hands off for rape, they would behead for murder - but only if there was no reasonable doubt.

I'm sorry but no-body is going to change my mind, and I would seriously suggest people who are so 'human rights' have a think about it!

I mean come on...what if it was your family murdered???


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What if one of the family was wrongly hung. I'm all for life meaning life and if need be make life hell for them, as i said earlier a wrongly convicted person can be compensated and we can try to make amends, can't bring someone back from the dead. The example i put up, (Evans) today's technology would not have helped him.


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Well then it looks as though we agree to disagree.

I believe crime rate would go down if people who were murderers were facing the death penalty.

Our knife crime, drug crime and even alcohol related incidents is so high, I feel if the prisons were harsher, and there was the option of death penalty it would decrease.

I would like to know why on your caption you have 'This is no place for children' is that the world in general? or is that UK only?

No this country isn't a place for children, but why isn't it for you?

I say bring it back. If someone hurt a member of my family - the murderer would have a death sentence anyway - and not by the courts!!


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Nikki, I'm not sure you understand the concept of the British legal system; go to a Crown Court and watch a case (not on TV lol), the judge will spend anywhere from 45 minutes to days, providing a summary of the case and explaining to the jury how they are to reach their decision. If there is any doubt in the jurors mind over the guilt of the person, the juror must find that person not guilty, no matter how small that doubt. The British legal system is setup only to convict a person of a crime, where the jury is 100% certain that the person is guilty of that crime.

So going by this "reasonable doubt" attitude towards the death sentance, does not work in the British legal system. This is the problem I have with the death penalty... when I see people like Huntley and Brady etc, even lower level scumbags, I say hang the fecking lot of em lol... But I do worry that even today, there is an element of human error, and jurors still do not grasp the conceptg of if there is any doubt whatsoever, they must find the defendent not guilty, regardless of emotional or other feelings towards that defendent. There is still cases that have been highlighted over the years, whereby an incorrect verdict was delivered, and there still will be. I just worry that if you convict the wrong person, there is no going back.

On the other hand, I see the benefits of such a punishment (and I don't care what anyone says, prison should be first and foremost a place of punishment, before rehabillitation), and I would like to think it was in-place. It is a tricky one, but I think the better choice right now, would be to make prison a place where ... DONT want to end up, make it a living hell, give a prisoner the same level of basic human rights afforded to a PoW, cease giving them TV's, playstations etc, who cares if there is 4 to a cell, if they don't like it, they don't have to commit the crime!

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