WikiWirral Wirral's Biggest Online Forum
Forum Statistics
Forums65
Topics76,364
Posts1,033,327
Members14,584
Most Online16,551
Feb 2nd, 2024
Who's Online Now
15 members (3 invisible), 12,179 guests, and 931 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters
sunnyside 45,164
MattLFC 22,315
Mark 21,269
granny 17,791
_Ste_ 16,345
Newest Members
Bunny, Stacey2007, PrimordialPoet, Rinchen, AGC12
14,584 Registered Users
New General Forums
Hi to everyone
by PaulRobson - 15th Apr 2024 1:18pm
Last person to post wins...
by GaryB - 9th Oct 2007 9:15pm
New Wirral History
Moreton History
by IanFife - 1st Apr 2024 1:03pm
Campbell Terrace, behind old St. Andrew's Church on Conway
by KimTheilmann1 - 31st Mar 2024 3:34pm
Tall Brick Chimneys
by diggingdeeper - 16th Mar 2024 12:56pm
Through the Window: GWR Paddington to Birkenhead
by yoller - 16th Aug 2017 7:09pm
Possible crop marks in Landican?
by tomstevens - 21st Apr 2010 4:53pm
Top Posters(30 Days)
bert1 5
lincle 4
casper 4
Topic Replies
Wanted Gardener
by dodie - 24th Apr 2024 1:09pm
Plymyard House
by granny - 23rd Apr 2024 3:49pm
Hi to everyone
by granny - 23rd Apr 2024 3:39pm
Possible crop marks in Landican?
by granny - 23rd Apr 2024 2:58pm
Pigeon breeder
by lincle - 22nd Apr 2024 2:36pm
Sunak and Reality
by diggingdeeper - 19th Apr 2024 10:15am
Restaurant/pub with outdoor seating - Bromborough
by capitulinagarage - 17th Apr 2024 12:52pm
recommendation, please
by muzzy2 - 16th Apr 2024 7:39pm
Car paint jobs
by PaulRobson - 15th Apr 2024 9:54pm
April
M T W T F S S
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30
Top Likes Received (30 Days)
cools 1
casper 1
Kylix 1
Top Likes Received
bert1 14
casper 4
Mark 4
granny 3
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 4 of 4 1 2 3 4
chriskay #532623 13th Jun 2011 6:55pm
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 209
Addict
Offline
Addict
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 209
Originally Posted by chriskay
Hi, Bob; there seems to be a lot of evidence that the "extension" refers to the dock branch. Would you agree?
I used to spend time at Mollington St. around 1950. Just cleaning; never got to drive.

The object of the line to Birkenhead was probably to get access to the docks. If one company had sole access it would have been extremely lucrative,but in the end a joint running agreement was made. Around this time there was a lot of wheeler dealing where one railway agreed not to encroach on the other in return for running powers somewhere else.
At the railwayana auction in Derby on saturday last were 2 smokebox numberplates from locos based at mollington St. at the end of steam. I was going to bid £450 for 42613 - It went for £720. The smokebox plate from 9F 92106 went for £920
The one I really want is 42616 - I'll pay a good sum for that if it ever comes up for sale.
I've got rid of most of my small railway stuff, all I have now is a small collection of photos & leaflets,a Beyer Peacock worksplate from 1885 off a Mersey Railway tank loco, An invitation pack from the opening ceremony of the Mersey Railway in 1886 (minus the actual invitation which was obviously handed in)but which has a menu card & embossed cards in colour showing the gifts presented to the royal couple.I also have a book of specifications for rolling stock ,locomotives (hand written), fans, Hamilton Square station architect's specification etc.
There is also a carbon copy of the letter from the Board of Trade giving permission for the railway to open subject to certain works being completed.
The only other piece of railwayana I have is a 25 ton Southern Railway 'Queen Mary' brake van, which i'm restoring at Llangollen.

Bob.

Google Ads
8HBob #533395 15th Jun 2011 1:09pm
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 239
Likes: 1
Addict
Offline
Addict
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 239
Likes: 1
I suddenly realised that I had a map of 'Docks and Warehouses proposed to be made at Birkenhead' and dated 1844. Looking at it shows the line as 'Extension of Railway' and drawn from Grange Lane Station to the docks - I suppose that backs up the theory. I've attached some photos fo the map here.

Also, whilst on the Shrewbury - Birkenhead connection, I found another map I've got showing a proposed station of the 'Shrewsbury and Chester' railway dated 1850. Anyone know why the scheme foundered and how they proposed to get to Birkenhead (running powers over the Birkenhead - Chester?). I've put a photo of that map here too.

Attached Images
1844proposedDock-Title.JPG (83.35 KB, 165 downloads)
1844proposedDock1.JPG (196.65 KB, 166 downloads)
1850Ch-ShProposedStation2.JPG (94.24 KB, 166 downloads)

Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come.
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 101
Enthusiast
Offline
Enthusiast
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 101
Excellent stuff, Billy !!
It looks as if the proposed site was near the Steam Packet Warf.
I think that the Shrewsbury & Chester was 'absorbed' by the GWR running powers then would not be a problem. Of course they ended up at Woodside. They could have proposed this site as it was already solid ground by the looks of it.
I like the bit on the title page "FRS, ETC", must have had a string of letters after his name !!

chriskay #533559 15th Jun 2011 5:04pm
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 101
Enthusiast
Offline
Enthusiast
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 101
JM RENDEL James Meadows Rendel was quite an eminent civil engineer of his time.
This link gives an idea what was going on in Birekenhead at the time
Birkenhead history

masterbun #533635 15th Jun 2011 7:07pm
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
Forum Veteran
OP Offline
Forum Veteran
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
And I think he's commemorated in Rendel Street.


Carpe diem.
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 339
Old Hand
Offline
Old Hand
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 339
The Birkenhead Extension - was the freight only line to the docks - which in itself possessed most of the engineering challenges faced on the Chester to Birkenhead section which had been open between Monks Ferry Station and Chester since 1840.

Engineering challenges included on this section - large tunnel under Waterloo Place - substantial road overbridges required at Marion Street, Bridge Street and Brook Street and a deep cutting from Argyle Street near Dacre Street all the way to Brook Street - all on a downward gradient of 1 in 100 from Green Lane - which doesn't sound much these days - but presented a stern challenge to early locos especially in the damp slippy tunnel section.

The line had been delayed by the failure of the initial Rendel 'Low Water Basin' scheme....

chriskay #540587 30th Jun 2011 8:24pm
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 13
Newbeee
Offline
Newbeee
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 13
I've always understood the Birkenhead Extension lines to be the LNWR/GWR Joint goods lines operated from Blackpool Street Signal box (by the gas works) to the junctions with the MDHB lines (but not the Goods stations eg, Cathcart St, Edgerton Dock, Morpeth Dock.
Page 21 of the "Section Appendix to the Working Timetables for the Chester and Birkenhead and Shrewsbury & Hereford Sections" Jan 1st 1933 (reprinted by Avon AngliA about 20 years ago) starts:-
BIRKENHEAD EXTENSION
Brake Power. Trips between Extension and Float and High Level, Grange Lane,-
Except during bad weather the Joint shunting trucks supplied by the L.M.S Co. may be used as brake vans between the Extension, Float and High Level with a maximum load of 50 empty wagons or 35 loaded.
Incidentally, the Chester and Birkenhead and the Shrewsbury and Hereford Joint lines of the LMSR and GWR were administered from Shrewsbury station which is most probably why the memorial is there.

KeithS #540601 30th Jun 2011 9:01pm
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
Forum Veteran
OP Offline
Forum Veteran
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
Thanks for the extra info. Keith.


Carpe diem.
8HBob #541132 2nd Jul 2011 2:37pm
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 15
Newbeee
Offline
Newbeee
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 15
8H Bob

did you know Harry Bibby? he was my Uncle, and worked at Mollington Street for years!

Page 4 of 4 1 2 3 4

Moderated by  Mod 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Wanted Gardener
by dodie - 24th Apr 2024 1:09pm
Plymyard House
by Granada - 23rd Apr 2024 2:35pm
Pigeon breeder
by lincle - 22nd Apr 2024 8:17am
recommendation, please
by muzzy2 - 16th Apr 2024 7:39pm
Car paint jobs
by PaulRobson - 15th Apr 2024 9:54pm
For Sale & Free
Member Spotlight
Dilly
Dilly
wallasey
Posts: 8,973
Joined: July 2011
Today's Birthdays
There are no members with birthdays on this day.
New Wirral Info
Wanted Gardener
by dodie - 24th Apr 2024 1:09pm
Plymyard House
by Granada - 23rd Apr 2024 2:35pm
recommendation, please
by muzzy2 - 16th Apr 2024 7:39pm
Traffic Wardens
by Excoriator - 11th Apr 2024 4:11pm
Paddle Steamer Waverley
by diggingdeeper - 5th Apr 2024 7:57am
News : New Topics
West Kirby flood defences
by Excoriator - 10th Apr 2024 10:45pm
Sunak and Reality
by diggingdeeper - 4th Jan 2023 12:56am
Lost river (Well, brook really)
by Excoriator - 10th Sep 2019 9:50am
New Enthusiast Forums
Pigeon breeder
by lincle - 22nd Apr 2024 8:17am
Car paint jobs
by PaulRobson - 15th Apr 2024 9:54pm
Any Decent Restaurant Open On a Mon Evening.
by Uffda - 21st Oct 2012 7:16pm
What song are you listening to?
by - 24th Jun 2007 10:06am
Popular Topics(Views)
5,071,531 WIKI WALK CHAT
4,017,823 Spotted!
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5