WikiWirral Wirral's Biggest Online Forum
Forum Stats
12137 Members
65 Forums
72391 Topics
976101 Posts
33 posts in the last 24hrs
Max Online: 7831 @ 8th Apr 2013 4:18pm
Who's Online - Click Me
14 registered (4 invisible), 207 Guests and 108 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


(Views 7days)This Weeks Most Read
Wirral Globe 603
HMT Lancastria 443
Another Big Waste Fire in Liverpool. 406
Name help 390
Vet help 315
Vet help 300
Another tree down on Arrowe park Road? 200
54 plate renault clio 3rd brake light 200
That was kept a bit quiet? 154
Mobile mechanic needed to fit a wishbone 141
New General Forums
Lib/dems rule the day
by JimmyG
2nd Dec 2016 10:59pm
Daft funny joke
by venice
2nd Dec 2016 5:54pm
We dont learn much.
by venice
1st Dec 2016 9:22pm
Freegle
by venice
1st Dec 2016 6:36pm
New Wirral History
Name help
by Paternoster21
3rd Dec 2016 8:03am
HMT Lancastria
by granny
2nd Dec 2016 11:38pm
Cubitts Holland and Hannen
by fish5133
27th Nov 2016 5:38pm
Fire station
by chris7777
22nd Nov 2016 12:24pm
Buy a house in Greasby for 12s a week - in 1935
by yoller
6th Oct 2016 6:56pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
fireworks on the Mersey last night
Hadlow train station
Topic Replies
Blank Page : Offline
by Mark
Vet help
by diggingdeeper
10:50 PM
RIP Peter Vaughan
by Mark
10:00 PM
Talk Talk Security Breach
by Mark
09:59 PM
Iphone 5s, Grey, near mint condition, 50
by anniebo28
09:39 PM
Mobile mechanic needed to fit a wishbone
by anniebo28
07:30 PM
That was kept a bit quiet?
by diggingdeeper
06:19 PM
Another tree down on Arrowe park Road?
by fish5133
02:13 PM
MIG welder
by vw_kyle
01:49 PM
December
M Tu W Th F Sa Su
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Wirral TUC Meeting re Update on Wallasey CLP Suspe
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:16pm
World Aids Day Event 2016. Liverpool
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:05pm
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#521231 - 21st May 2011 2:35am Holt hill- cammel lairds ship yard
kimpri Offline

Forum Guardian

Registered: 29th Oct 2008
Posts: 3552
Loc: birkenhead
Holt hill
I do believe the ship being built is HMS Ark Royal. smile


Attachments: Viewing Permissions May Apply. Click Me
holt hilll ship yard.jpg


_________________________
Does your vacuum suck? Get a Dyson!!



Top
Wirral History Now & Then Advertising
Click me for more Information......


Looking for a Service / Tradesman? Look in our Local Business Directory. Click Me
#521234 - 21st May 2011 6:12am Re: Holt hill- cammel lairds ship yard [Re: kimpri]
bert1 Offline

Wiki Veteran

Registered: 27th Nov 2008
Posts: 7827
Loc: tranmere
Every time i see this photo the Ark gets whiter and whiter, I wasn't down the yard at that time and I'm pretty sure no white paint went near her, I'll stand corrected if it did, all the Navel vessels i have seen and worked on started off with many coats of red lead, many coats of grey undercoat and finished with battleship grey, which also adorned many fences, front doors and windows throughout Birkenhead. I even had a friend who had a old van painted in Battleship grey,thanks very much, HMS Liverpool.
_________________________
God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.

Top
#521239 - 21st May 2011 7:50am Re: Holt hill- cammel lairds ship yard [Re: kimpri]
rocks Offline

Wiki Guide

Registered: 2nd Apr 2011
Posts: 6623
Loc: 3/4 of the way there....
great photo of holt hill!!
_________________________

The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away.

Top
#521243 - 21st May 2011 8:50am Re: Holt hill- cammel lairds ship yard [Re: bert1]
Silverback Offline
Addict

Registered: 19th Apr 2010
Posts: 255
Loc: Birkenhead
Originally Posted By: bert1
Every time i see this photo the Ark gets whiter and whiter, I wasn't down the yard at that time and I'm pretty sure no white paint went near her, I'll stand corrected if it did......



"This photograph shows the HMS Ark Royal, taken from the top of Holt Hill in Birkenhead. The ship had just been painted white, as part of preparations for its launch from the Cammell Laird shipyard by the Queen Mother"


http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?show=ConNarrative.200&chapterId=1591

Top
#521245 - 21st May 2011 9:02am Re: Holt hill- cammel lairds ship yard [Re: Silverback]
Helles Offline
Wise One

Registered: 28th May 2010
Posts: 887
Loc: Wirral
Is that you off to get your hovis Bert? whistle

Top
#521247 - 21st May 2011 9:10am Re: Holt hill- cammel lairds ship yard [Re: Silverback]
bert1 Offline

Wiki Veteran

Registered: 27th Nov 2008
Posts: 7827
Loc: tranmere
Originally Posted By: Silverback
Originally Posted By: bert1
Every time i see this photo the Ark gets whiter and whiter, I wasn't down the yard at that time and I'm pretty sure no white paint went near her, I'll stand corrected if it did......



"This photograph shows the HMS Ark Royal, taken from the top of Holt Hill in Birkenhead. The ship had just been painted white, as part of preparations for its launch from the Cammell Laird shipyard by the Queen Mother"

Thanks for the info Silverback, what a waste of paint, i hope none of it ended up on your parlour ceiling. wink


http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?show=ConNarrative.200&chapterId=1591


_________________________
God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.

Top
#521252 - 21st May 2011 9:14am Re: Holt hill- cammel lairds ship yard [Re: Helles]
bert1 Offline

Wiki Veteran

Registered: 27th Nov 2008
Posts: 7827
Loc: tranmere
Originally Posted By: Helles
Is that you off to get your hovis Bert? whistle


I used to walk up and down that hill four times a day, never did get any easier.
_________________________
God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.

Top
#521281 - 21st May 2011 11:17am Re: Holt hill- cammel lairds ship yard [Re: kimpri]
pacef8 Offline
Smartchild

Registered: 27th Dec 2008
Posts: 458
Loc: south wirral
For your info that photo was taken by Chambre Hardman's

You can visit his old house and studio on Rodney Street Liverpool.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/northwest/series6/chambre-hardman/index.shtml

The lost city of liverpool can be seen here

http://www.gorgeoux.com/2010/03/chambre-hardman-and-lost-city-of.html

ta

Pace

Top
#521282 - 21st May 2011 11:20am Re: Holt hill- cammel lairds ship yard [Re: kimpri]
derekdwc Offline


Forum Veteran

Registered: 13th Oct 2008
Posts: 4945
Loc: Birkenhead
Please can someone put up a google map or satellite pic of where it was built - which dock or basin as I want to compare the view
with a pic in Tranmere Pool topic


Attachments: Viewing Permissions May Apply. Click Me
bhead_pool.jpg



Top
#521368 - 21st May 2011 2:30pm Re: Holt hill- cammel lairds ship yard [Re: derekdwc]
bert1 Offline

Wiki Veteran

Registered: 27th Nov 2008
Posts: 7827
Loc: tranmere
Derek, it would have been built on the slipway, i assume pic1, which was a lot bigger before the construction hall was built, pic2 is Holt hill and slipways.


Attachments: Viewing Permissions May Apply. Click Me
slipway.JPG

holtlaird.JPG


_________________________
God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.

Top
#521377 - 21st May 2011 3:23pm Re: Holt hill- cammel lairds ship yard [Re: kimpri]
jimbob Offline

Forum Addict

Registered: 26th Nov 2008
Posts: 1530
Loc: Birkenhead
It was built on No 5 slipway, there where 6 slipways in the south yard prior to the yard been altered in the mid 60s when the 60 and 100 tons crains where put up.
_________________________
Ships that pass in the night, seldom seen and soon forgoten

Top
#521813 - 22nd May 2011 11:34am Re: Holt hill- cammel lairds ship yard [Re: kimpri]
bri445 Offline

Veteran

Registered: 27th Apr 2009
Posts: 676
Loc: Isle of Wight
I always thought this Hardman photo was some kind of composite of the big ship added to small Holt Hill. Adding to bert's post above, and using Street View, I was so wrong! That was a big ship in big shipyard!


Attachments: Viewing Permissions May Apply. Click Me
holt hill.jpg

holt hill3.jpg



Top
#521842 - 22nd May 2011 12:31pm Re: Holt hill- cammel lairds ship yard [Re: bri445]
Helles Offline
Wise One

Registered: 28th May 2010
Posts: 887
Loc: Wirral
A little bit of useless information. I was up in the Lake District a number of years back and got talking to some guy who lived there. He made models of various ships to a very high standard.

He was building a model of Ark Royal (Thirties one) and said he had written to Lairds to try and obtain some plans. He was told that the information was classified yet the ship had lain sunk in the Med since the second world war.

Perhaps they just couldn't be bothered? I doubt anything was classified after all that time unless I am missing something!

Top
#521844 - 22nd May 2011 12:37pm Re: Holt hill- cammel lairds ship yard [Re: bri445]
bert1 Offline

Wiki Veteran

Registered: 27th Nov 2008
Posts: 7827
Loc: tranmere
What i tried to do yesterday was superimpose the old photo over a street view photo of Holt Hill and get some idea of scale and size, it was a bugger to line up, perhaps someone with the ability and tools to do it can have a go. I can't find the height of the Ark Royal but it looks as if it would tower above the present day construction hall which is 107m high, 351 feet in old money.
_________________________
God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.

Top
#522127 - 22nd May 2011 11:38pm Re: Holt hill- cammel lairds ship yard [Re: kimpri]
kimpri Offline

Forum Guardian

Registered: 29th Oct 2008
Posts: 3552
Loc: birkenhead
Another picture of cammel lairds sheds.


Attachments: Viewing Permissions May Apply. Click Me
holt hilll ship yard.jpg

Holt Hill .JPG


_________________________
Does your vacuum suck? Get a Dyson!!



Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >

Moderator:  Mark 
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Talk Talk Security Breach
by fish5133
06:19 PM
Mobile mechanic needed to fit a wishbone
by anniebo28
6th Dec 2016 7:13pm
Vet help
by colin86
6th Dec 2016 6:25pm
Another tree down on Arrowe park Road?
by Davefabo
6th Dec 2016 11:08am
Game shocking prices!!!
by eddtheduck
5th Dec 2016 4:55pm
For Sale & Free
Iphone 5s, Grey, near mint condition, 50
by anniebo28
Yesterday at 07:40 PM
Roberts Concerto 2 CD Player For Visually Impaired
by Tranquil
6th Dec 2016 10:05pm
Gaming chair
by monsterz4
6th Dec 2016 8:27pm
MIG welder
by anniebo28
6th Dec 2016 1:34am
IPhone 4s 16gb 35
by anniebo28
4th Dec 2016 12:45pm
Featured Member
Registered: 9th Nov 2003
Posts: 20962
Newest Members
lucyw, BarbaraL, SherryLover, missyb, DavidSharpe
12137 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Gymnastics coaches needed.
by margy
3rd Dec 2016 9:28pm
Wirral Globe
by locomotive
1st Dec 2016 6:25pm
Wirral TUC Meeting re Update on Wallasey CLP Suspe
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:16pm
World Aids Day Event 2016. Liverpool
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:05pm
A job. Company not named.
by venice
30th Nov 2016 6:30pm
News : New Topics
RIP Peter Vaughan
by diggingdeeper
Yesterday at 04:22 AM
That was kept a bit quiet?
by venice
6th Dec 2016 11:25am
Another tree down on Arrowe park Road?
by Davefabo
6th Dec 2016 11:08am
Bunchems Xmas present warning
by venice
6th Dec 2016 9:28am
Another Big Waste Fire in Liverpool.
by Wally1
4th Dec 2016 10:24am
New Enthusiast Forums
Talk Talk Security Breach
by fish5133
Yesterday at 06:19 PM
Mobile mechanic needed to fit a wishbone
by anniebo28
6th Dec 2016 7:13pm
Vet help
by colin86
6th Dec 2016 6:25pm
Game shocking prices!!!
by eddtheduck
5th Dec 2016 4:55pm
54 plate renault clio 3rd brake light
by Mike72
1st Dec 2016 12:52pm
(Views 24hrs)Trending Newest Topics
Vet help 300
Talk Talk Security Breach 109
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Thu 8:15am
Sunset Thu 3:53pm
Local Time Thu 9:43am
WikiWirral Can . . . .