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#516755 - 11th May 2011 7:45am On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving
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On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13356057

Police can next year probably had out fixed fines for bad driving.

Judge and Jury in one car. I hope they will have the evidence recorded so you can dispute it.

I don't like the sounds of it.
As an RAC spokes man said on the News there time and money could be spent better to improve road safety.
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#516787 - 11th May 2011 9:27am Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving [Re: Mark]
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The solution, as always is quite simple.

If you dont drive like a tool, you'll be alright grin

I actually think it will save money, will save all the summons and court time taken by those the police currently decide to prosecute.
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#516834 - 11th May 2011 11:17am Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving [Re: Mark]
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i think people who would normally have been spotted and ignored wil now be pulled over for the sake of it and will have no defence itll be their word against ours!

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#516836 - 11th May 2011 11:23am Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving [Re: Mark]
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traffic cars have cameras. you will have the right to appeal.
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#516842 - 11th May 2011 11:36am Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving [Re: Mark]
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so wont be just like normal policemen in cars on their own slapping u wuith fines willy nilly?

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#516863 - 11th May 2011 12:00pm Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving [Re: Mark]
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The 2nd line of StuyMac's post says it all !

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#516865 - 11th May 2011 12:03pm Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving [Re: Mark]
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everyone makes mistakes sometimes like taking their eye off the ball for just a second and normally thatd be fine cos its a mistake and were human but it some jobsworth gets power gone to their haed over it then were screwed

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#516875 - 11th May 2011 12:17pm Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving [Re: Mark]
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Mistakes are mistakes, and can generally be differentiated between them and careless driving.

However, it only takes a driver to their eye off the ball for a second to make a huge mess!

When driving, driving should be at the top of your list of priorities, not 3rd or 4th on the list after changing CDs, checking a phone etc....

The video in the link shows some examples, and all are calculated inconsiderations for other road users - thats not a mistake, thats a calculated decision which has the potential to cause an accident.

Originally Posted By: BBC News
Ministers say motorists who tail-gate, undertake or cut others up often go unpunished and that introducing instant penalties would be more efficient.


These are concious inconsiderations, not mistakes.... think

Its also just the process that is new, in the past these offences have been delt with through a court, so its not like they are introducing new laws.
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#516886 - 11th May 2011 12:29pm Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving [Re: LilJen]
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everyone makes mistakes sometimes like taking their eye off the ball for just a second and normally thatd be fine cos its a mistake and were human but it some jobsworth gets power gone to their haed over it then were screwed
The new system doesn't really make any difference to that. Basically there are two ways to be done for careless driving - the first is having an accident and the second being visually observed to be driving erratically. In both cases whether its an on the spot fine or being formally charged you are still dependent on the same factors.

One unfortunate thing is that the outcome of you error governs your penalty, not the seriousness of your error. So while someone might make a big careless mistake like going through a red light and getting away with it scott free because he doesn't hit anyone, someone else making an innocent mistake like being distracted for a split second by a loose animal might hit another car and seriously injure someone and get a harsh penalty.
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#516890 - 11th May 2011 12:31pm Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving [Re: Mark]
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people who cut up etc get pulled when seen anyway and wil get a telling off and let on there way it now just means the police wil make more money its simple really if you think about it

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#516913 - 11th May 2011 12:49pm Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving [Re: Mark]
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Will it make the roads any safer ??
Not one iota!
And of course you can appeal against it,You can take a day off work then pay for a solicitor to defend you if you get away with it its only cost you a days pay and the Solicitors costs, It costs the Police Feck all as its us that pay for them in the first place,The speed cameras are too expnsive to maintain so this is the new get rich quick policy for the plods!!!
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#516914 - 11th May 2011 12:49pm Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving [Re: Mark]
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They generally get let on their way because its not worth the cost of taking them to court for it.

Now they can be delt with on the spot, so more instances will be delt with and punished, and it will save the cost of taking these people to court.

They can already deal with you at the roadside for speeding via fixed penalty, so I dont see the problem with giving them more powers. Wether it makes the police / government money or not, inconsiderate driving is a pet hate of mine, and even if they took the money off these drivers and burnt it in front of them, that would be a result.

As I already said though, if you dont drive like an idiot, you'll be fine grin
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#516916 - 11th May 2011 12:50pm Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving [Re: Mark]
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Maybe it will make people think twice before cutting others up, undertaking etc... I know im guilty of the odd undertaking manouvre, when the pleb in front is doing 30 in say a 50, and wont move into the left lane to let overtaking traffic pass, but im gonna think twice about even doing once these powers are bought in.

I wish the police would start cracking down on all the driving stupidity, not using indicators in one thing that really annoys me for example.

Im not particuarly worried by the new laws, it seems pretty simple, if you cant do the time (or afford the pay the fine in this case), dont do the crime. The Highway code is there for a reason.

The court system in England is being cut back, with numerour county and magistrate courts facing closure, the legal system is costing absurd amounts of money to run, and this may not only make the roads safer, but will also save time for both police and the legal system, and money for the legal system; it could potentially save millions of pounds, money that could be better spent on the NHS, or keeping the roads safe by getting more traffic police on them to enforce these new laws.

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#516951 - 11th May 2011 1:37pm Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving [Re: MattLFC]
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Just another fund raising scheme to attack easy targets. However they should spend some time patrolling the M53 & give fixed penalties to the a*******s who drive in the middle or outside lanes either on a virtually empty motorway or while not overtaking anything. The other irritating people are those who come down the northbound sliproads at junctions 2 & 3 & immediately pull out into fast moving traffic in the middle lane, although they have at least 1/2 mile to change lanes.

Bob.

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#516991 - 11th May 2011 3:09pm Re: On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving [Re: Mark]
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It's just another small step on the inexorable path toward becoming a Police State. They nibble away at freedom one little bit at a time, until one day, you wake up and realize that it's all gone. One day, people may realize that we all just can't be intimidated into "good behaviour", where every waking hour, we are under constant surveillance and had better toe the line or we will be nicked and fined!
I thought the British system of justice said that the Police had to prove, in a Court of Law, that the alleged offence had indeed occurred and even then, there was a presumption of "Innocent unti proven guilty"? Where does ths leave us then - and what will be the next thing "they" (who are supposed to represent US?) will allow the police to summarily punish us for?
Thin end of the wedge if you ask me (which OK, you didn't!)

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