WikiWirral its great, register, enjoy and welcome.
Forum Stats
12132 Members
65 Forums
72376 Topics
976001 Posts
34 posts in the last 24hrs
Max Online: 7831 @ 8th Apr 2013 4:18pm
Who's Online - Click Me
88 registered (11kendo, 12 invisible), 1507 Guests and 202 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


(Views 7days)This Weeks Most Read
Disgusting surely not legal creamfields noise !!@ 1250
anything with castors 805
Pensby Hotel 467
Wirral Globe 448
loud music in new brighton 415
Sports Personality Of The Year 386
Cubitts Holland and Hannen 314
Raspberry Pi in the classroom! 309
PC Repair needed 271
HMT Lancastria 225
New General Forums
Lib/dems rule the day
by JimmyG
Yesterday at 10:59 PM
Daft funny joke
by venice
Yesterday at 05:54 PM
We dont learn much.
by venice
1st Dec 2016 9:22pm
Freegle
by venice
1st Dec 2016 6:36pm
New Wirral History
Name help
by Paternoster21
Today at 08:03 AM
HMT Lancastria
by granny
Yesterday at 11:38 PM
Cubitts Holland and Hannen
by fish5133
27th Nov 2016 5:38pm
Fire station
by chris7777
22nd Nov 2016 12:24pm
Buy a house in Greasby for 12s a week - in 1935
by yoller
6th Oct 2016 6:56pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
fireworks on the Mersey last night
Hadlow train station
Topic Replies
Raspberry Pi in the classroom!
by Excoriator
50 minutes 21 seconds ago
live webcam from africa, a must see
by granny
Today at 09:39 PM
Gymnastics coaches needed.
by margy
Today at 09:28 PM
Name help
by Greenwood
Today at 04:29 PM
HMT Lancastria
by granny
Today at 02:06 PM
Stanlow Abbey
by Kylix
Today at 02:05 PM
Sports Personality Of The Year
by fish5133
Today at 01:16 PM
Wirral Globe
by Excoriator
Yesterday at 11:02 PM
What are you currently reading?
by RUDEBOX
Yesterday at 10:30 PM
December
M Tu W Th F Sa Su
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Wirral TUC Meeting re Update on Wallasey CLP Suspe
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:16pm
World Aids Day Event 2016. Liverpool
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:05pm
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#510386 - 29th Apr 2011 10:48am Snails killed fish!
DavidB Offline
Wiki Guide

Registered: 7th Dec 2003
Posts: 5591
Loc: Bebington, Wirral
Have a bi-ube thing, which is rubbish IMO, but found a snail in there off one of the plants we bought.
Then noticed a couple more snails.
Yesterday noticed water was very cloudy, even after cleaning tank and replacing the crappy filters you get in these things about two weeks ago, and this morning, the black fish we've had for three years was floating at the bottom and the other redcap fish (we've only got two) was struggling to swim. Emptying the tank, I found about 20 snails and those transparent egg things covering almost every rock.

Did these kill the fish, there was an excessive amount of eggs and snails in there.
_________________________
"C20 LET bang"

Top
Pets / Animals : Advertising
Click me for more Information......

WikiWirral Numbers : Between 150 and 200 New Members Every Month. With Over 3,500 unique visits and 35,000 Page Views each day. Average +500 Search Engines Daily and over 1,000,000 Million Page views a Month. Advertising from 20 . Click Me
#510509 - 29th Apr 2011 1:29pm Re: Snails killed fish! [Re: ]
jabber_Ish Online   evil_mood
Forum Master

Registered: 7th Jan 2010
Posts: 2942
Loc: Black Rock
theres no chance the snails would cause death to the fish
and snails are bivalves which makes them a natural filter so they would not have caused the water quality to deteriorate
_________________________
><((((*> <*))))><

Top
#510513 - 29th Apr 2011 1:33pm Re: Snails killed fish! [Re: jabber_Ish]
jabber_Ish Online   evil_mood
Forum Master

Registered: 7th Jan 2010
Posts: 2942
Loc: Black Rock
when you clean the filter make sure you use tank water not tap water

if as you say you have recently added new filter media then its likely by removing the old media you have created a situation whereby the new filter has no beneficial bacteria existing to control the fish waste. Therefore the water clouds as ammonia and nitrite start to build up in the water.

the best option is to do small water changes each day and make sure you use a tap dechlorinator to remove the unwanted chemicals in our drinking water
_________________________
><((((*> <*))))><

Top
#510520 - 29th Apr 2011 1:44pm Re: Snails killed fish! [Re: DavidB]
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Guardian

Registered: 9th Jul 2008
Posts: 9547
Loc: Birkenhead
Some tanks take a long time to settle and can be unstable. We stopped getting shrimps because everytime we used them , the tank would cloud up a couple of days later and take a week to settle down again.

Biggest problem is usually overfeeding but its difficult to stop kids shoving food in.
_________________________
In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates

Top
#510535 - 29th Apr 2011 2:26pm Re: Snails killed fish! [Re: DavidB]
Razzi Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 29th Oct 2008
Posts: 123
Loc: Bidston
Never clean your filters in tap water hot or cold because it kills off the bacteria you've carefully grown on your filter media which help keep your tank clean. Rinse the parts and sponges in the water you've siphoned off when you do water changes. Also i hate snails,even when you don't want any they appear after a while. I always take them out and dispose of them, else you end up with hundreds of the beggers.

bi-orb are good for a few neons or shrimp maybe. I'm guessing from your description that your fish are a redcap oranda and a black moor goldfish. These might grown too big for a biorb and a tank might be a better thing.

Top
#510601 - 29th Apr 2011 5:43pm Re: Snails killed fish! [Re: DavidB]
RedMen231 Offline
Addict

Registered: 7th Apr 2011
Posts: 219
Loc: wirral
sounds like poor water quality,dont take all the water out of your tank just empty 20% water, and do a water change evry 2weeks,Giv your plants a gd wash before putting them in the tank Aswell,

Top
#510707 - 30th Apr 2011 9:12am Re: Snails killed fish! [Re: DavidB]
_jase_
Unregistered


Has some one been over feeding them, the cheep fishfood makes water cloudy, wilkinsons is the worst fish food to buy...

Top
#510774 - 30th Apr 2011 11:47am Re: Snails killed fish! [Re: DavidB]
BandyCoot Offline

Forum Veteran

Registered: 7th Dec 2008
Posts: 5334
Loc: Birkenhead
I used to change my water by one bucketful each week. If the bucket is left standing overnight the chlorine comes off it and it also comes up to temperature. Take a bucket full out with a siphon and then replace it with the standing bucketfull. Worked for me for years. Cloudiness caused by over feeding, my grand daughter does the same in spite of being told not to. Just put enough food in for them to eat in a couple of minutes and just once a day. Realise may be trying to teach my granny to suck eggs but just in case.
_________________________
Birkenhead........ God's own Room 101.

Top
#511447 - 1st May 2011 1:58pm Re: Snails killed fish! [Re: BandyCoot]
MattLFC Offline
Wiki Master

Registered: 14th Aug 2004
Posts: 22315
Loc: Moreton/Beirut/Mobile
Originally Posted By: BandyCoot
I used to change my water by one bucketful each week. If the bucket is left standing overnight the chlorine comes off it and it also comes up to temperature. Take a bucket full out with a siphon and then replace it with the standing bucketfull. Worked for me for years. Cloudiness caused by over feeding, my grand daughter does the same in spite of being told not to. Just put enough food in for them to eat in a couple of minutes and just once a day. Realise may be trying to teach my granny to suck eggs but just in case.

The problem with modern water supplies, is the water companies are increasingly using Chloramine instead of the more costly Chlorine to make the water safe, and that does not disappear naturally, it can only be removed using a man-made agent.

Ive never had a problem with cloudiness in all my years of owning a tank, so I dunno if as jase says, its more down to the quality of the food; I don't overfeed by choice, but im sure I must do sometimes. I do however insist on using known brands like Tetra, im currently using King British and Aqua One Spirulina and PetsAtHome plec algae pellets as the staple food supply (with variation in fresh vegetables etc), and never had a problem.

My mum on the other hand uses the cheapo food you buy in the likes of Home Bargains, and she does sometimes have issues with cloudyness. The filter she is using is more than big enough for the tank, so it could well be the food.

I have a Rio 400 with is around 450 litres, and a Rena XP4 filtration system, suitible for around 600 litres iirc, but it can't be tank size as I used to have a 30 litre tank, with 3 goldies in (babies) and that never got cloudy either. Actually, at present, im running an unfiltered 25 litre tank, with Baby swordtails in, and that too doesnt get cloudy, do its nout to do with filtration or size.

As people have said, when getting plants, always wash them first with some water out of the tank, as snail eggs tend to enter the tank via plants, and if they have come out of bad water, they could potentially infest your tank with unwanted/harmful bacteria. The same applies to the filters, when washing them, just use water out of the tank, and dont squeeze etc, too hard, as you don't want to damage the biological filtration element, which is the most important element in a properly cycled tank.

smile

Top

Moderator:  Mod 
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Gymnastics coaches needed.
by margy
Today at 09:28 PM
Name help
by Paternoster21
Today at 08:03 AM
HMT Lancastria
by granny
Yesterday at 11:38 PM
Wirral Globe
by locomotive
1st Dec 2016 6:25pm
54 plate renault clio 3rd brake light
by Mike72
1st Dec 2016 12:52pm
For Sale & Free
Steam Train Money Box/Ornaments
by Tranquil
1st Dec 2016 11:32am
Childs LFC Bike 5 - 8 Yr old
by Pete_M
1st Dec 2016 1:10am
Cat related Collectables
by Tranquil
29th Nov 2016 4:48pm
original xbox
by vw_kyle
27th Nov 2016 8:17pm
anything with castors
by lincle
27th Nov 2016 4:06pm
Featured Member
Registered: 29th Dec 2013
Posts: 56
Newest Members
Grayo123456, uptonvillage, NobbyHunt, sam1512, ant72
12132 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Gymnastics coaches needed.
by margy
Today at 09:28 PM
Wirral Globe
by locomotive
1st Dec 2016 6:25pm
Wirral TUC Meeting re Update on Wallasey CLP Suspe
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:16pm
World Aids Day Event 2016. Liverpool
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:05pm
A job. Company not named.
by venice
30th Nov 2016 6:30pm
News : New Topics
Pensby Hotel
by granny
29th Nov 2016 6:39pm
Paul Nuttall Elected UKIP leader
by granny
28th Nov 2016 12:03pm
Disgusting surely not legal creamfields noise !!@
by svenlock68
27th Nov 2016 8:25am
Paying for EU Citizenship (Poll)
by diggingdeeper
26th Nov 2016 12:35pm
Footballers--Abused
by fish5133
25th Nov 2016 3:46pm
New Enthusiast Forums
54 plate renault clio 3rd brake light
by Mike72
1st Dec 2016 12:52pm
Raspberry Pi in the classroom!
by FelixCowden
30th Nov 2016 9:27pm
crop loss & water rationing in Dominican Republic
by FelixCowden
30th Nov 2016 8:46pm
PC Repair needed
by TudorBlue
29th Nov 2016 2:54pm
Sports Personality Of The Year
by fish5133
29th Nov 2016 12:32am
(Views 24hrs)Trending Newest Topics
Name help 202
Gymnastics coaches needed. 21
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Sat 8:09am
Sunset Sat 3:55pm
Local Time Sat 11:54pm
WikiWirral Can . . . .