Our Success is in our members who value our strength as a valued community.
Forum Stats
12223 Members
65 Forums
72737 Topics
980367 Posts
25 posts in the last 24hrs
Max Online: 7831 @ 8th Apr 2013 4:18pm
Who's Online - Click Me
93 registered (11kendo, 16 invisible), 1824 Guests and 182 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


(Views 7days)This Weeks Most Read
On-street parking charges dropped 432
TS Indefatigable 402
Ceiling needs smoothing 367
Patio work 309
vet fees 264
Hezballah 237
Sea Shepherd 219
Seeking old pictures of Egerton Street area, Birkenhead 108
Re sizing 79
Am I missing something ? 66
New General Forums
Ice in the 1800's
by granny
Yesterday at 09:47 PM
Am I missing something ?
by dizdazdoz
16th Feb 2017 12:46pm
Valentines Day---Help From The Ladies
by fish5133
10th Feb 2017 7:35pm
Happy BirthdaY
by Vanmanone
10th Feb 2017 2:51am
New Wirral History
Seeking old pictures of Egerton Street area, Birkenhead
by yoller
19th Feb 2017 7:53pm
TS Indefatigable
by granny
18th Feb 2017 3:32pm
RIP : Chris Kay
by granny
31st Aug 2016 9:25am
Children's home on the Overchurch
by xleahx
26th Apr 2011 7:01pm
Stanlow Abbey
by ghostly1
4th Dec 2008 10:09pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
fireworks on the Mersey last night
Hadlow train station
Topic Replies
Internet Explorer Not Working
by fish5133
20 minutes 50 seconds ago
Changes to bin collections
by fish5133
Yesterday at 11:14 PM
TV wall mount wanted.
by j_demo
Yesterday at 09:32 PM
Samick Greg Bennett UK50 Ukulele
by kenmo52
Yesterday at 07:44 PM
TS Indefatigable
by granny
Yesterday at 06:11 PM
Patio work
by steamfan
Yesterday at 09:51 AM
Missing
by granny
20th Feb 2017 11:10pm
Stanlow Abbey
by techgran
20th Feb 2017 9:07pm
2x Brit Floyd tickets 3rd March City entrance
by ambersmum
20th Feb 2017 6:35pm
February
M Tu W Th F Sa Su
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Lion Salt Works/Weaver Hall Museum
by venice
19th Feb 2017 12:19pm
Wirral TUC Meeting re Update on Wallasey CLP Suspe
by RUDEBOX
13th Feb 2017 8:50pm
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#501544 - 13th Apr 2011 10:23am Fitting LPG
Martin1943 Offline
Addict

Registered: 26th Jan 2011
Posts: 252
Loc: Moreton
Has anyone fitted LPG to a Subaru (mines a Forester)? Any advice would be appreciated.

Top
AutoWirral : Advertising
Click me for more Information......

WikiWirral Numbers : Between 150 and 200 New Members Every Month. With Over 3,500 unique visits and 35,000 Page Views each day. Average +500 Search Engines Daily and over 1,000,000 Million Page views a Month. Advertising from £20 . Click Me
#501945 - 13th Apr 2011 10:46pm Re: Fitting LPG [Re: Martin1943]
TheDr Offline
Forum Master

Registered: 23rd Feb 2010
Posts: 2631
Loc: Wirral
Before I start, if you've never done it before DON'T, your insurance will go mental with a self fit smile

I have LPG kits on most of my vehicles, the Subaru SVX is a six cylinder, so that needed two control boxes (a four and a two way), works well with multipoint injection.

I tried a Forester with a single point, even after a service and a remap (quite easy to do with LPG systems as long as you have the lead and the right software for the control box) it just doesn't work properly, they backfire like a b*tch, and unless you fit a catflap to the airbox it blows them apart.

To sort it out (because it became more and more common, and annoying) the front end was swapped for a multipoint, as well as curing the problem meant that the car ran smoother with a slight increase in mpg and power.

The LPG tank will fit in the wheel well (as long as you get the right tank/size etc) so the seats can still be folded down.

Top
#502001 - 14th Apr 2011 12:44am Re: Fitting LPG [Re: Martin1943]
DavidB Offline
Wiki Guide

Registered: 7th Dec 2003
Posts: 5595
Loc: Bebington, Wirral
LPG is horrible stuff, it's worth buying the kit and getting it fitted by a pro. I've heard stuff about blowing head gaskets. I'd rather have a diesel tbh.

How long have you had those SVX's for, I love seeing them around!
_________________________
"C20 LET bang"

Top
#502017 - 14th Apr 2011 1:17am Re: Fitting LPG [Re: DavidB]
TheDr Offline
Forum Master

Registered: 23rd Feb 2010
Posts: 2631
Loc: Wirral
Originally Posted By: DavidB
How long have you had those SVX's for, I love seeing them around!


There used to be a dark blue SVX in West Kirby many years ago, but the owner sold that, the only SVX's on the Wirral now are mine, there's a silver one, two silver and two black. I'm looking for a decent white one (and maybe getting rid of one of the black ones).

I've had them for many (many) years, I think I have the most spares for them in the UK (certainly have the last brand new off-the-shelf gearbox). Excellent car to drive, nothing else like them.

Top
#502020 - 14th Apr 2011 1:27am Re: Fitting LPG [Re: Martin1943]
_Ste_ Offline


Wiki Master

Registered: 7th Aug 2005
Posts: 15986
Loc: New Brighton
Why do you fools insist on driving LPG?
Stop putting mine and other road users at risk and put your friggin hands in ya wallets you mising @&"*+#!
Either that or get a friggin fiesta 1 litre and get over your sadact lives!
What the f*#k are you doing driving a forester anyway? Ffs!
_________________________


http://www.youtube.com/user/stetopop

Top
#502075 - 14th Apr 2011 8:49am Re: Fitting LPG [Re: Martin1943]
polo_phil Offline

Forum Master

Registered: 9th Jan 2009
Posts: 3080
Loc: Birkenhead
Ste I sense you are a bit mad?...
what is wrong with the Forester?

I'm sure I saw an SVX for Sale around christmas... think it was a dealer near the Asda Woodchurch on the Industrial Park...

Top
#502111 - 14th Apr 2011 10:13am Re: Fitting LPG [Re: polo_phil]
_Ste_ Offline


Wiki Master

Registered: 7th Aug 2005
Posts: 15986
Loc: New Brighton
Originally Posted By: polo_phil
Ste I sense you are a bit mad?...
what is wrong with the Forester?

I'm sure I saw an SVX for sale around christmas... think it was a dealer near the Asda Woodchurch on the Industrial Park...


Obviously they carnt afford to drive it, like I said, get a fiesta, oh hey, why don't you try one of those fuel line magnets off eBay? Lmfao raftl
_________________________


http://www.youtube.com/user/stetopop

Top
#502112 - 14th Apr 2011 10:17am Re: Fitting LPG [Re: Martin1943]
polo_phil Offline

Forum Master

Registered: 9th Jan 2009
Posts: 3080
Loc: Birkenhead
Oh I see... as long as it wasn't an attack on a Forester.

I remember some clown in work saying about the magnets safe to say I laughed in his stupid face...

Surely actually fitting the LPG kit is going to be more expensive than buying the fuel?... unless you plan to keep it for a long time... plus LPG prices will keep going up and up...

Top
#502139 - 14th Apr 2011 11:34am Re: Fitting LPG [Re: _Ste_]
MattLFC Offline
Wiki Master

Registered: 14th Aug 2004
Posts: 22315
Loc: Moreton/Beirut/Mobile
Originally Posted By: _Ste_
Originally Posted By: polo_phil
Ste I sense you are a bit mad?...
what is wrong with the Forester?

I'm sure I saw an SVX for sale around christmas... think it was a dealer near the Asda Woodchurch on the Industrial Park...


Obviously they carnt afford to drive it, like I said, get a fiesta, oh hey, why don't you try one of those fuel line magnets off eBay? Lmfao raftl

raftl

Top
#502174 - 14th Apr 2011 12:37pm Re: Fitting LPG [Re: MattLFC]
TheDr Offline
Forum Master

Registered: 23rd Feb 2010
Posts: 2631
Loc: Wirral
Of course LPG prices will keep going up, so will petrol, but as previously all Shell did was to burn it off it's only the taxes that keep it as high as it is.

Badly fitted LPG is dangerous, but I don't see for one second how you can say it is threat to other road users. I can think of dozens of times petrol tanks have split, fuel has spilled onto the road, fuel has ignited, can't think of a single time with an LPG tank, not saying that there isn't one, just that petrol is FAR more dangerous. Cheapskates get a crack in their fuel tank and go and buy a petro-patch and glue it up, good luck with that on an LPG tank smile Oh yes, never had one split.

I've had a crash where a Land Rover has smashed into the back of my car, yes it had LPG and yes it was under the car, which folded around it. LPG is safe, green and cheap. Buying something that does the same job but costs less doesn't make me a cheapskate or unable to afford my car (I have 5 SVX's, only one is on LPG) it is just an alternative, or are you saying that electric car owners who only pay pennies per recharge should go and buy a Fiesta ?

Fuel line magnets... why would I need one...I use LPG laugh

Top
#502194 - 14th Apr 2011 1:38pm Re: Fitting LPG [Re: Martin1943]
StuyMac Offline

Wiki Master

Registered: 24th Nov 2003
Posts: 12002
Loc: Wirralshire
...still sitting on the fence, but there are more petrol cars around than LPG - maybe it would be better to compare fuel tank ruptures on a percentage rather than an overall figure in total think

As for LPG, well it is cheaper if you can offset the fitting costs over time with running costs.

...but, LPG does lose performance and MPG, so if you are after either maybe a smaller car is required, especially when you do lose luggage space with the tank.

On the plus side, you can still get a reasonably big engine, where the power loss isnt as noticable, and you still get the smoothness of a big 6 or 8 cylinder engine, but lower running costs.

The jury is still out for me, think Id only every buy a car with it fitted, not sure I could justify having to do the miles to make it pay for itself think
_________________________


What If There Were No Hypothetical Questions?

Top
#502198 - 14th Apr 2011 2:05pm Re: Fitting LPG [Re: Martin1943]
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Guardian

Registered: 9th Jul 2008
Posts: 9770
Loc: Birkenhead
The main reason that LPG is not popular is because the government won't give any reassurances that they will not tax it at the same rate as petrol.

The reason LPG is cheap is because of the low taxes. The LPG industry has been trying to push the government into giving some sort of timescales/rates for the future taxation - but virtually nothing has been forthcoming.

You could have the conversion done, then the next budget makes LPG the same price as petrol.

I've wanted to go LPG for years, but without some sort of protection I am not prepared to risk that sort of money.

It doesn't take long to get your money back on most installations, if it wasn't for the tax gamble it is exceedingly viable.
_________________________
In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates

Top
#502200 - 14th Apr 2011 2:09pm Re: Fitting LPG [Re: Martin1943]
MattLFC Offline
Wiki Master

Registered: 14th Aug 2004
Posts: 22315
Loc: Moreton/Beirut/Mobile
Yeah, quite a few times in recent years, it has been mooted within government, that the LPG tax breaks may be coming to an end. The tax situation actually should be reviewed to be honest, LPG is only around 16% cleaner than petrol iirc, and yet is subject to less than half the taxation.

Given the state of the economy at present, removing the tax-break on LPG should have been the first thing they did!

DD, I seem to recall that the tax break was guaranteed until 2010, not sure if the source was legit, but it was mentioned when the future of LPG discussed on a couple of motoring forums im on a few years ago. Any info on this?

Top
#502210 - 14th Apr 2011 2:22pm Re: Fitting LPG [Re: Martin1943]
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Guardian

Registered: 9th Jul 2008
Posts: 9770
Loc: Birkenhead
There was a guaranteed tax break that ended Apr 2009, but I think it was only two years long. There was also another freeze that ended 2004. What would be needed is something a 10 year plan or a minimum of 5.

Safety-wise, LPG is much safer than petrol, a petrol tanks ruptures very easily, an LPG doesn't. Petrol spreads and creates a ground fire, LPG creates a fireball which rises upwards very rapidly.

In reality the LPG tanks are almost indestructible, you will be well dead before the tank burst. That's why they can transport butane/propane cylinders around unprotected - similar spec.

In the event of a LPG tank being caught in a petrol fire, it will vent (quite slowly) and not explode which again is probably much less risk than the spread of petrol
_________________________
In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates

Top
#502220 - 14th Apr 2011 2:36pm Re: Fitting LPG [Re: Martin1943]
MattLFC Offline
Wiki Master

Registered: 14th Aug 2004
Posts: 22315
Loc: Moreton/Beirut/Mobile
Cheers smile

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >

Moderator:  StuyMac 
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Internet Explorer Not Working
by fish5133
20 minutes 50 seconds ago
vet fees
by eggandchips
20th Feb 2017 12:01am
Seeking old pictures of Egerton Street area, Birkenhead
by yoller
19th Feb 2017 7:53pm
Lion Salt Works/Weaver Hall Museum
by paxvobiscum
18th Feb 2017 9:19pm
Patio work
by steamfan
18th Feb 2017 3:45pm
For Sale & Free
TV wall mount wanted.
by j_demo
Yesterday at 07:53 PM
Samick Greg Bennett UK50 Ukulele
by j_demo
20th Feb 2017 9:24pm
2x Brit Floyd tickets 3rd March City entrance
by ambersmum
20th Feb 2017 6:35pm
Sherwood 2x30W amp with phono - £35; other hifi
by montyz
20th Feb 2017 4:09pm
Gaming pc
by Cjoshea
18th Feb 2017 9:47pm
Featured Member
Registered: 9th Nov 2015
Posts: 59
Newest Members
CliveK, vonny, Vkj530, SunsetP, RachelBinns
12223 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
j_demo (28)
New Wirral Info
Lion Salt Works/Weaver Hall Museum
by paxvobiscum
18th Feb 2017 9:19pm
Patio work
by steamfan
18th Feb 2017 3:45pm
Ceiling needs smoothing
by yr20405
15th Feb 2017 1:52am
Info? Bill Dobson, Photographer, Martins Bank
by diggingdeeper
13th Feb 2017 12:10pm
War Museum
by missmahjong
12th Feb 2017 1:24pm
News : New Topics
Hezballah
by venice
17th Feb 2017 11:15am
On-street parking charges dropped
by oldpm01
15th Feb 2017 9:10am
Thousands raised for children of cancer couple.
by fish5133
13th Feb 2017 3:01pm
Lost ladies Swarovski watch
by spider
13th Feb 2017 10:36am
M53 closed in both directions between J2 and J3
by diggingdeeper
9th Feb 2017 10:00pm
New Enthusiast Forums
Internet Explorer Not Working
by fish5133
20 minutes 50 seconds ago
vet fees
by eggandchips
20th Feb 2017 12:01am
Sea Shepherd
by venice
16th Feb 2017 1:06pm
Sounds of the Sixties
by paxvobiscum
11th Feb 2017 8:53pm
Hospital
by cools
10th Feb 2017 9:53am
(Views 24hrs)Trending Newest Topics
TV wall mount wanted. 51
Ice in the 1800's 7
Internet Explorer Not Working 0
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Wed 7:13am
Sunset Wed 5:37pm
Local Time Wed 12:46am
WikiWirral Can . . . .