WikiWirral its great, register, enjoy and welcome.
Forum Stats
12132 Members
65 Forums
72376 Topics
976003 Posts
31 posts in the last 24hrs
Max Online: 7831 @ 8th Apr 2013 4:18pm
Who's Online - Click Me
86 registered (11kendo, 12 invisible), 1492 Guests and 199 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


(Views 7days)This Weeks Most Read
Disgusting surely not legal creamfields noise !!@ 1262
anything with castors 808
Pensby Hotel 468
Wirral Globe 458
Sports Personality Of The Year 389
Raspberry Pi in the classroom! 318
Cubitts Holland and Hannen 314
PC Repair needed 274
HMT Lancastria 234
Name help 219
New General Forums
Lib/dems rule the day
by JimmyG
2nd Dec 2016 10:59pm
Daft funny joke
by venice
2nd Dec 2016 5:54pm
We dont learn much.
by venice
1st Dec 2016 9:22pm
Freegle
by venice
1st Dec 2016 6:36pm
New Wirral History
Name help
by Paternoster21
08:03 AM
HMT Lancastria
by granny
2nd Dec 2016 11:38pm
Cubitts Holland and Hannen
by fish5133
27th Nov 2016 5:38pm
Fire station
by chris7777
22nd Nov 2016 12:24pm
Buy a house in Greasby for 12s a week - in 1935
by yoller
6th Oct 2016 6:56pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
fireworks on the Mersey last night
Hadlow train station
Topic Replies
Name help
by fish5133
12:45 AM
Raspberry Pi in the classroom!
by Excoriator
11:04 PM
live webcam from africa, a must see
by granny
09:39 PM
Gymnastics coaches needed.
by margy
09:28 PM
HMT Lancastria
by granny
02:06 PM
Stanlow Abbey
by Kylix
02:05 PM
Sports Personality Of The Year
by fish5133
01:16 PM
Wirral Globe
by Excoriator
2nd Dec 2016 11:02pm
What are you currently reading?
by RUDEBOX
2nd Dec 2016 10:30pm
December
M Tu W Th F Sa Su
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Wirral TUC Meeting re Update on Wallasey CLP Suspe
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:16pm
World Aids Day Event 2016. Liverpool
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:05pm
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#498495 - 6th Apr 2011 7:43pm War grave
Helles Offline
Wise One

Registered: 28th May 2010
Posts: 887
Loc: Wirral
I was photographing war graves last year at Landican and discovered an error on one. I notified commonwealth war graves and it has just been corrected. Spot the difference.


Attachments: Viewing Permissions May Apply. Click Me
Misc 012.jpg

Landican1 093.JPG



Top
Wirral History Info Advertising
Click me for more Information......

* * * Julie : LED Lights Supplied and Fitted Free * * *
Now Advertise with WikiWirral.
WikiWirral stats 35,000 Page Views a Day +500 Search Engines.. Click Me
#498510 - 6th Apr 2011 7:58pm Re: War grave [Re: Helles]
Dava2479 Offline

Forum Addict

Registered: 10th Feb 2008
Posts: 1924
Loc: Wirral
Well spotted......5.J.Hunt-STH May!

Top
#498513 - 6th Apr 2011 8:00pm Re: War grave [Re: Helles]
bambi18 Offline
Beginner

Registered: 8th Feb 2011
Posts: 8
Loc: wallasey
" Y "

Top
#498516 - 6th Apr 2011 8:02pm Re: War grave [Re: Helles]
derekdwc Online   content


Forum Veteran

Registered: 13th Oct 2008
Posts: 4945
Loc: Birkenhead
arm - army

Top
#498523 - 6th Apr 2011 8:07pm Re: War grave [Re: Helles]
CVCVCV Offline
Forum Addict

Registered: 4th May 2010
Posts: 1444
Loc: ex Wallasey now Atlanta GA USA
Well done Helles. What a difference a 'Y' makes!

Top
#498538 - 6th Apr 2011 8:42pm Re: War grave [Re: CVCVCV]
Helles Offline
Wise One

Registered: 28th May 2010
Posts: 887
Loc: Wirral
Originally Posted By: CVCVCV
Well done Helles. What a difference a 'Y' makes!


It's a respect thing. If we can't get the little things correct then it is disrespectful in my humble. CWGC were very good though I have to say and they also re-did the screen panel in the little war cemetery.

Top
#498560 - 6th Apr 2011 8:55pm Re: War grave [Re: Helles]
w10694 Offline
Addict

Registered: 31st Dec 2008
Posts: 239
Loc: cheshire
There are also eight CWWGC graves in the churchyard at Shotwick, WW1 trainee pilots from Canada, killed in training. Worth a visit. And some very wonky graves.




Top
#498604 - 6th Apr 2011 9:48pm Re: War grave [Re: w10694]
Helles Offline
Wise One

Registered: 28th May 2010
Posts: 887
Loc: Wirral
Might pop up and do them over the Easter break. I also look for family memorials which mention relatives killed in both world wars but not buried in that place.

Top
#498631 - 6th Apr 2011 10:25pm Re: War grave [Re: Helles]
w10694 Offline
Addict

Registered: 31st Dec 2008
Posts: 239
Loc: cheshire
The stories behind the graves are in one of Mike Grants "Aviation across the Borders" books, vol-2 I think. I ca dig it out if you want.

Top
#498649 - 6th Apr 2011 10:51pm Re: War grave [Re: Helles]
poodlepup Offline
Forum Guardian

Registered: 6th Oct 2010
Posts: 3973
Loc: wirral
Well done Helles,great work!
CWGC are very helpful,i worked with a group of people discovering non comms from ww1,now glad to see they have been payed their due respect.
_________________________
Every dog has its day!

Top
#498810 - 7th Apr 2011 9:52am Re: War grave [Re: w10694]
Helles Offline
Wise One

Registered: 28th May 2010
Posts: 887
Loc: Wirral
Originally Posted By: w10694
The stories behind the graves are in one of Mike Grants "Aviation across the Borders" books, vol-2 I think. I ca dig it out if you want.


What it is, I take the photo's to go on a website so that people can try and look up relatives or whatever. As opposed to one site, this one is free and personally I think that is the way it should be.

There are many RAF graves on the Wirral including quite a few in the south end due to RAF Hooton and the like. In the little catholic church at Childer Thornton there is one solitary war grave with a 2nd Lt who originated from the USA. With a rank like that, he would have orignally signed up for the Royal Flying Corps because those that don't know, 2nd Lt is an army rank, not RAF.

http://www.britishwargraves.co.uk/


Attachments: Viewing Permissions May Apply. Click Me
Graves3rd April 014.JPG



Top
#499152 - 7th Apr 2011 9:40pm Re: War grave [Re: Helles]
w10694 Offline
Addict

Registered: 31st Dec 2008
Posts: 239
Loc: cheshire
From "Wings across the Borders vol-1",

21/7/18 Hooton Park. Sopwith Dolphin C4138, 2/Lt JPF English, RAF, 25, Troy, New York, Killed in flying accident, buried in St Mary of Angels RC Churchyard, Hooton. Body later exhumed.

and from Cross and Cockade:

21.7.1918 Killed while flying Sopwith Dolphin C4138, aged 25.
Son of Lawrence A English and Mary English, Washington Park, Troy.
Husband of Gertrude E F English, 2315 Fifth Avenue, Troy, New York, USA.
Buried : St Mary of the Angels Roman Catholic Cemetery, Hooton, Cheshire (Cheshire 194). Later exhumed and returned to Canada.
Sopwith 5F1 Dolphin C4138 was built by Sopwith at Kingston.


Edited by w10694 (7th Apr 2011 9:43pm)

Top
#499309 - 8th Apr 2011 10:03am Re: War grave [Re: w10694]
Helles Offline
Wise One

Registered: 28th May 2010
Posts: 887
Loc: Wirral
Interesting! So there is an empty grave there then? Wonder why they left the stone?

Edit. Checked CWGC and according to that he is buried there. Wonder where the author got his information from?


Edited by Helles (8th Apr 2011 10:10am)

Top
#499361 - 8th Apr 2011 12:40pm Re: War grave [Re: Helles]
w10694 Offline
Addict

Registered: 31st Dec 2008
Posts: 239
Loc: cheshire
I spoke to Mike Grant earlier, he would have got the info by looking at squadron losses from the RAF, and then following up each loss from either RAF records or from the Church records being marked "exh". He does remember visiting the church, there is a memorial inside the church door as well. As for leaving the gravestone standing for an exhumed body - he has no idea why, other than as a memorial, or to preserve a "row" of them. It's really a question for the CWWGC I guess. Mike did say there are quite a few different situations that he has met.

Top
#499534 - 8th Apr 2011 5:07pm Re: War grave [Re: w10694]
Helles Offline
Wise One

Registered: 28th May 2010
Posts: 887
Loc: Wirral
Okay thanks for that. Re the row, he is the only one in there so it won't be for that. Wonder if the people placing poppy wreaths there realise? Suppose it is symbolic more than anything.

All interesting stuff isn't it?

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >

Moderator:  Mark 
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Gymnastics coaches needed.
by margy
09:28 PM
Name help
by Paternoster21
08:03 AM
HMT Lancastria
by granny
2nd Dec 2016 11:38pm
Wirral Globe
by locomotive
1st Dec 2016 6:25pm
54 plate renault clio 3rd brake light
by Mike72
1st Dec 2016 12:52pm
For Sale & Free
Steam Train Money Box/Ornaments
by Tranquil
1st Dec 2016 11:32am
Childs LFC Bike 5 - 8 Yr old
by Pete_M
1st Dec 2016 1:10am
Cat related Collectables
by Tranquil
29th Nov 2016 4:48pm
original xbox
by vw_kyle
27th Nov 2016 8:17pm
anything with castors
by lincle
27th Nov 2016 4:06pm
Featured Member
Registered: 26th May 2016
Posts: 19
Newest Members
Grayo123456, uptonvillage, NobbyHunt, sam1512, ant72
12132 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Gymnastics coaches needed.
by margy
09:28 PM
Wirral Globe
by locomotive
1st Dec 2016 6:25pm
Wirral TUC Meeting re Update on Wallasey CLP Suspe
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:16pm
World Aids Day Event 2016. Liverpool
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:05pm
A job. Company not named.
by venice
30th Nov 2016 6:30pm
News : New Topics
Pensby Hotel
by granny
29th Nov 2016 6:39pm
Paul Nuttall Elected UKIP leader
by granny
28th Nov 2016 12:03pm
Disgusting surely not legal creamfields noise !!@
by svenlock68
27th Nov 2016 8:25am
Paying for EU Citizenship (Poll)
by diggingdeeper
26th Nov 2016 12:35pm
Footballers--Abused
by fish5133
25th Nov 2016 3:46pm
New Enthusiast Forums
54 plate renault clio 3rd brake light
by Mike72
1st Dec 2016 12:52pm
Raspberry Pi in the classroom!
by FelixCowden
30th Nov 2016 9:27pm
crop loss & water rationing in Dominican Republic
by FelixCowden
30th Nov 2016 8:46pm
PC Repair needed
by TudorBlue
29th Nov 2016 2:54pm
Sports Personality Of The Year
by fish5133
29th Nov 2016 12:32am
(Views 24hrs)Trending Newest Topics
Name help 219
Gymnastics coaches needed. 23
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Sun 8:10am
Sunset Sun 3:54pm
Local Time Sun 7:53am
WikiWirral Can . . . .
Advertising Click me
To Advertise with
Wikiwirral Click Me