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I have been researching my Mother in Laws family tree. Her father was from Birkenhead. Below are some Street names that have come up on census's etc , if anyone has any info, pic etc about any of them , that would be fantastic! grateful for any info as I have no personal knowledge of the area at all. Thank you.

Whetstone View
Carpenters Row
Warwick Street
Huskisson Street
Old Chester Road
Gladstone Street
Egerton Street

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Hi Emmski,can`t help you with whetstone veiw,but carpenters row is off chester st which is near b/hed town hall and I`m pretty sure it`s t the top of market st.A lot of streets in Birkenhead have been renamed over the years which makes your request harder to gain info on,however I can suggest emailing Will at wirral archives for info.

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Will do, thanks very much for your help

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I have found Egerton st,click the link and zoom in and have a look around Chester st area.It`s on the 1910 map.All the streets you have named seem to be in the same area.

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Gladstone st gone, was off Exmouth st,
Warwick st gone was off Oxton road, now called Maritime park and the other end is Warwick close,
Huskisson st gone I think It ran around St Johns church which has gone and now built over with the pyramids Grange road.
Old Chester road is a long rd so you would need a number.

If you look at the topic further down this forum list you will find one on Lowther st ,Fox st, I think there's a map where Gladstone st was.

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Sorry had a look , seems I need to know postcode before it will show map??

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Huskisson st map and some pics of nearby buildings
all gone now

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Thanks for those pics, they help to try and bring my research alive , names and places mean little on paper. Does anyone have any knowledge of this area in the period 1850 onwards? what kind of houses would have been on these streets? was this a particulary poor area? Any knowledge gratefully absorbed

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Hard to say what your after, the houses were terreced 2up 2 down or 3up 3down etc, front doors were never locked ,everybody knew everybody, people worked hard ,lots worked in Cammell Lairds or the docks, I was christened at St Johns and went to St Johns infants and Junior school which when we had a school holiday day off we were force marched into church at 9:00am and berated with the evils of whatever the very rev Albert Howarth came up with, we were then kicked out at 12:00 to enjoy the rest of what was left of the day, I lived in Lowther st next to Gladstone st ,the same one that Paul O'Grady goes on about, Vera did exist , there is a picture of Lowther st in the Lowther st ,Fox st topic, the Gladstone st houses were similar but some of the had a window that jutted out and missing iron railing holes in the sandstone ,the railing long gone in WWI, WWII for guns.


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Originally Posted by emmski
Sorry had a look , seems I need to know postcode before it will show map??

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Hi, emmski. You don't need a postcode. Under the postcode box, there's a link to go direct to the maps. (There seems to be a little problem with the modern map, but if you zoom in a couple of clicks it sorts itself out).
I've attached a couple of maps. On the first, your rough street locations are:
1. Egerton St
2. Gladstone St
3. Huskisson St.
4. Warwick St.
I can't find Carpenters Row, although Dava2479 seems to know it. I can't find Whetstone View either. There's a Whetstone Lane, marked 5 on the map. This is a steep hill, climbing the Tranmere ridge. There's some quite big houses on it & my guess is that Whetstone View is the name of one, or a group of, these houses.
Bearing in mind that you don't know this area, I've marked with a 'W' the location of the Woodside ferry, which you will be able to find on a larger map.
As davew3 said, Old Chester Rd. is very long, but the second map, from 1910, shows the first 1/2 mile or so. It starts where the 'X' is. That point is a couple of hundred yards below 'B5749' on the first map.

p.s. do you know you can make the maps bigger & smaller by holding Ctrl & using +/-
Hope that helps.

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Great thanks very much

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Egerton Street was situated between Chester Street and Tunnel Road. At the top of the street (north) was King’s Square, leading across to the Mersey Tunnel entrance and the old market. Before the tunnel was built, Grange Street ran across the top of Egerton Street. At the bottom of Egerton Street (south) was Waterloo Place.
Egerton Street was bisected by Getley Street, which ran between Tunnel Road and Chester Street.
Carpenter’s Row was a row of large old Victorian houses on Chester Street, situated about halfway between Getley Street and Waterloo Place. A narrow alleyway ran under the houses towards Egerton Street.
The Egerton Street area was originally called Back Chester Street and was the location of some notorious slums such as Walter’s Court - there are some excellent pictures of these in local history books, and they may be available here on Wikiwirral.
These slums were cleared under the Housing of the Working Classes Act of 1890 and the council built terraced redbrick houses and a small block of tenement flats in Egerton Street, Tunnel Road and Getley Street.
The whole area was demolished in 1966 / 1967 to make way for the tunnel flyovers.

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My mum and dad were married in St Johns and used to live in Oliver Street as kids and teenagers. They were saddened to see it knocked down even though they weren't God botherers.


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I seem to recall in the mid '60's there was another road may have been opposite Derby Rd or Clifton Rd that use to go down to Hollybank Rd. There was a sort of road at the top parralel with Whetstone lane but it was only very short and did not go anywhere. Maybe this was Whetstone View. I did some roofing work on the houses on the corner of Derby rd and Whetstone Lane and my doctor was on the other corner. Maybe E Mapping can solve this.
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Hi Emma, I think I can help with the location of the two places that seem to be the hardest to find.

Whetstone View was a short terrace of four properties situated between the Charing Cross end of Whetstone Lane and Cook Street, behind what is now a row of shops at the bottom of Oxton Road. The first map below shows the exact location outlined in blue, whilst the second, from 1875, shows the houses in more detail.

Yoller had exactly the right location for Carpenters Row, but not the right properties. It was actually an enclosed court of 14 houses situated behind the houses fronting onto Chester Street that he describes, accessed by the covered passageway that he mentions. These court properties were amongst the worst slums that you could imagine, consisting of houses one room wide by two or sometimes three stories high, into which little sunlight penetrated. Often the only source of water was a communal tap or pump situated in the courtyard, and sanitation was pretty non-existent. The third map shows the location of Carpenters Row, but dates from 1909 by which time they had already been condemned as insanitary and demolished. The larger scale map, again from 1875, shows the houses when they still existed; they seem to have been a little better than most court properties as they at least each had a small yard with a water tap (W.T.) and what appears to be an outside toilet. The photo is of a typical unnamed court in the Back Chester Street area, and shows the living conditions rather more graphically than any description I can give.

To help you locate the properties more easily I've taken the liberty of 'borrowing' Chris Kay's aerial view of Birkenhead and adding a couple of blue blobs; the left hand-one is the location of Whetstone View, the right-hand one Carpenters Row.

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