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schemes like this are great , if they go after the lazy , workshy ,professional unemployed. But , and its only my opinion , it'll be the easy targets , the newly unemployed , the honest and genuine people , the ones that dont know the system , the ones that have possibly been taxpayers for many years , that will be picked on , cos thats the way it is in this country.....btw, i do have a job , same one for 13 years this year , been in work for 23 years , and im 40 ....so im not a lazy scrounger.

I find a lot depends on the advisor you get as well, some are realistic, some just go through the motions and some enjoy watching people squirm.

I think I've mentioned it before but I was told to FO and look after myself like I had been doing for the previous 15 years. The same git is probably sitting back on a big fat CS pension now but I'm hoping that he has gone to heaven with all the other lazy gits.

I watched this programme and yet again it would seem another great idea on how to get scroungers back to work, one of many that have surfaced over the years from whatever government holds the power, none have worked or are likely to without the main ingredient, jobs available. Yesterday, figures were released as to how many were claiming job seekers allowance, two and a half million or there abouts, they can't all be scroungers, so why aren't the people who want jobs getting them. Just before watching an interview with Ian Duncan Smith, he now reports there are 5 million people out of work, unemployed and sick, so now we have, if you believe what he's getting at, there are 5 million job vacancies in this country and there's no need for anyone to be unemployed or suffer ill health, he went on to say, they meaning the government want to help long term unemployed get back into work, nothing wrong with that, in fact he has my backing, but why can't he help the person who has just lost his job get a job, because there is a lack of job opportunities. If they are successful in getting only the long term unemployed into work, won't that create another generation of unemployed into long term unemployment. Before the unemployment problem can be tackled, there has to be jobs available, thats not rocket science, and yet government after government don't seem to see that formula. Repeatedly i hear an argument put forward that millions of foreigners can come into this country and find work, why is this allowed to happen when we have such a high unemployment rate, only when we have millions of jobs available and when the people of this country are fully employed should workers from outside be considered, its only when there is an abundance of jobs we can turn around and say to the scroungers, there's a job, take it or starve, i don't see how any other way it can be done, not unless as a society we are willing to see people living back in the conditions of the 19th century.

You touch on one aspect of the problem there Bert, how many illegal immigrants are employed illegally, usually for less than the minimum wage. Genuine jobs that are wiped from legal workers.

Estimates vary but even the most conservative ones show this as a substantial problem. How much does the government invest in getting these jobs legalised - virtually nothing. How much does the government invest in harassing genuine unemployed people - loads.

I cant work as im disabled, (arthritus in spine..in knees..in hands..angina..anurism on my heart) but apparently the new test (from what ive been told) is if you can pick a pound coin up your fit for work????? how can that be..someone with no hands can pick a coin up??? this bloody thatcher goverment is a joke...lie through there teeth to get in power then hit you with everything...crying theres too many people on benafits then start kicking people out of jobs....ERM you cant have it both ways cameron...

Most governments will spend huge amounts of money on the harassment of the unemployed because it deflects from them their inability to do the job they are suppose to, that is find and keep the population of this country in work. While successive spokespersons rattle on about, how there going to get people off their backsides and in to work, it gives the impression that there are plenty of jobs out there. Its an old ploy, pick on a scapegoat, hammer them and people will start thinking there are millions of jobs to be had. Hitler done it with the Jews, our unemployed and sick are Hitlers Jews.
I agree with what DD says about illegal immigrants, but should there even be legal immigrants working here when so many are unemployed, especially if we have the skills to cover such work.

The country needs workers to keep it going - good luck to the immegrants - at least they are willing to go out to work instead of lazying around complaining that there are no jobs! Puts our citizens into a dependency culture - depending if they can be bothered to get their arse out of the bed in the morning to go and find work. I have been made redundant at least 4 times and went out to find work - there ARE jobs and you can always apply for them until something better comes along. Our country has become so lazy that it takes foreigners or EU citizens to prop up the economy. Where has peoples' self respect gone these days? What message is this sending out to the younger generation? Not all jobs are advertised so the true figure of vacancies is yet to be determined.

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The majority are school leavers...(national service comes to mind)Then theres the goverments mess up ie TUITION fee's that will put more on benefits..then theres job cuts ie more on benefits... and he (cameron) say's there's too many people claiming benefits ??? ERM hellooooo thanks to you cameron there will be more on benefits....Get a grip and while your at it stop the bloody immigration crisis....before you know it there will be more foreign people than british people....i know ill get stick for this but everyone is entitled to there opinion.

The latest thing in the jobcentre is advertising the same job multiple times to make it sound like there are loads of jobs available to choose from. For example, there is a job ironing for 3 hrs a week advertised 9 times. Add this to other non jobs ie .. agency jobs advertising jobs that dont really exist just so they have your details and the real jobs advertised are practically zero.
Then there is the scam of putting you in a new deal ..
i read they pay the company thousands of pounds if they get you off the dole.(was it £24000 )
Jobcentres are a joke.. im not laughing.

New deal had cost up to £31,000 per person. I don't quite know how because it subsidising your wages by £60 a week for 6 months plus a £750 training allowance.

Flexible New Deal was also brought in which capped the income above JSA

Its all getting scrapped and replaced by "Single Work Programme" this summer. Full details of this aren't fully known other than it looks like it has additional flexibility to be self-employed or work with a sole-trader.

It annoys me that they have loads of schemes that keep on changing names and conditions that go round in circles. Typical modern management crap - any changes to make it look like your doing something good - Bovine Excrement!

I know I'll get flamed for this, but if they want to save more money, they should scrap child benefit too. Procreation should not be rewarded - it's a privilage, not a right. If you want children then you should pay for them!

There's far too many who see children as a cash card and as a way of not working.

The only reason im unemployed is my CPCS card (construction driver)expired after 3 years and they want me to pay around £1000 again to renew it which i cant afford to pay. However, the jokecentre will put me on a hopeless scheme costing many thousands
trying to get me a minimum wage job im not suited to. Where is the sense in that eh?

Does seem to be a crazy situation
Good Luck