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All I'm saying Bandy, if someone gets a job for minimum wage and still has to receive benefits to live, the firm are not paying a living wage, it falls back on the tax payer, part of our taxes are then going to prop up firms and shareholders.If these benefits were not paid, firms would be forced to pay a decent wage, in my eyes these firms are no better than a so called dole scrounger, i think they know they can get away with it because the tax payer hands out millions instead of them coughing up out of their profits.

In that case bert you have to come up with a better system. I learnt of another one last week. Take a job, do the probation plus a little bit then go down with stress and get loadsa money whilst also doing cash jobs on the side. Nice one eh?

but i'm sure working on a submarine was your choice Bandycoot. thats the point. there are jobs out there that i would be reluctant to take for a minimum wage.imagine being forced to do something that you knew was dangerous , or spent most of your minimum wage just getting to and from.

No mate, I was press ganged, but you just get stuck in and learn to get on with it and love it. Everyone has to follow their own star if you like but then again you can choose your lifestyle etc. (as in working in boats was my choice) but you can also work to alter your course surely? These difficult, dangerous, dirty jobs. If we won't do them and they have to be done then who will? Is that what immigrants are for? What a minefield.

hahaha press ganged , fair enough.....i'm not saying we shouldnt be afraid of getting our hands dirty , just a fair days pay for a fair days work...Like Bert said , a lot of these firms can afford a living wage , some of them even get massive subsidies to employ people .My original point was anyway , i dont like picking on one group of society...and i've found the paper whos link was up are quite good at that .Has everyone forgot how much the MPS are screwing us for , tax dodgers , local politicians on the gravy train ... those people piss me off as much, they cost us more .

dirty jobs!
Besides the class system we still have, are we now getting a caste system as well?

How strange Derek, these so called jobs are offered to the so called ... bags on the dole, where they offered to the so called decent people on the dole, and did they take them, in fact do they even exist or are they just in the minds of politicians, yet again they get people thinking that jobs are bountiful because people are refusing to do them.

Oh what a beautiful mooooorning, oh what a beautiful day.....

like you bert I don't believe there are enough jobs out there to get most of peeps unemployed into work ( at least not in this area - maybe London and round there)
Agencies are a waste of time if they didn't exist maybe more permanent jobs would become available instead of their one day or one week ones and then made to wait a fortnight to make a
reclaim for benefits
And before anyone thinks I'm one of the unemployed - I'm not
I put in 30+ years in the same job

Like you Derek, before anyone thinks I'm unemployed, I'm not and never have been, If more effort was put in to producing jobs instead of grinding people into the dirt, it might be a better place.

It's ever been the case but.....you have to come up with a better system. When you think about it, I've just been watching the news, Ivory Coast, Burma, Zambia, Mozambique, Somalia, Eritrea, and so the list goes on.... have it much worse than us and we're moaning. Maybe we should reverse the people trafficking and get ourselves smuggled out there so that they can come here and do the shoity jobs and we can go out there and wallow in the sun. Personally, I think I will stay here.

Its not about doing the shitty jobs, its about being told you have to do the shitty jobs or any help you currently recieve of this government ,( remember , we are all in this together )will be gone .

Hi room

Takes a deep breath, ok here we go...

I am currently not working so signing on the dole.

i hate it because there is no way i can survive on the money they give yuo(ok after filling out forms etc)

I know that they push you into jobs, after all thats their job, lol

I remember one bloke at an interview saying that working with him will give me a NVQ lvl 2 in !!!, which would help me lots in the future, the interview ended when i said I could frame it between the other two I have, Lvl 3 and lvl 4.

Still if I had not turned up for these interview then my dole would have been stopped

My advice is to reg with the local agencies and go for it.

Boy there is some crap jobs out there. but there again some good laughs, not great money, but at least your earning.

There are jobs out there, most crap but you can soon filter them out, plus the agencies help

Nomad

Good luck Nomad, That is the spirit. I hope you find something soon.

There just aren't enough jobs out there despite what the Tory rags make out. Those jobs there are often McJobs with crap conditions, no pension, sick pay etc.
We need to change the way we run our economy. Rebuild our manufacturing base and start making things again. Thus creating good jobs and a sense of purpose in peoples' lives. Thatcher has a lot to answer for her destruction of our heavy industry and the many jobs that went with it.