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The flip side of the coin - Someone inexperienced takes the job albeit on minimum wage, works hard & shows the boss that they are worthy of a higher wage.
Remember what the original post said.
"wages minimum for age, DEPENDING ON EXPERIENCE"
If you've got the experience & can show the potential employer you will be of value, then salary can be negotiated.
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What should be asked, is an employer going to get the best out of someone who takes a job on low wages out of desperation. Anyone who takes a job on minimum wage knowing full well they should be on twice as much and possibly more are not going to put their heart and soul in to their work, so it pays the employer to pay a decent wage. Well said Bert1 !! 
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Right put this into my perspective.
your are 18 and just left an apprenticeship, You cant even get a job working in mcdonalds (and most people leaving school / apprentiships cant) you need some work and someone offers you minimum wage to help out in a garage.
Would you not take it?
I know i would.
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The flip side of the coin - Someone inexperienced takes the job albeit on minimum wage, works hard & shows the boss that they are worthy of a higher wage.
Remember what the original post said.
"wages minimum for age, DEPENDING ON EXPERIENCE"
If you've got the experience & can show the potential employer you will be of value, then salary can be negotiated. Yes, BUT some employers will just take advantage that the person is actually working for as little as possible so why pay them more when they dont have too? More money in the bosses dividend at the end of year!!
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£5.93 - the main rate for workers aged 21 and over
£4.92 - the 18-20 rate
£3.64 - the 16-17 rate for workers above school leaving age but under 18
£2.50 - the apprentice rate, for apprentices under 19 or 19 or over and in the first year of their apprenticeship
The above are the minimum wage rates, traditionally the rates for serving an apprenticeship have always been low, it was in my apprenticeship days, however when i come out of my time the rates almost doubled, i don't know what the going rate is for a time served mechanic, but i bet its a lot more than £5.93.
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Right put this into my perspective.
your are 18 and just left an apprenticeship, You cant even get a job working in mcdonalds (and most people leaving school / apprentiships cant) you need some work and someone offers you minimum wage to help out in a garage.
Would you not take it?
I know i would.
Karl, I can completely understand your POV, I really can. But after 3 years of training on the job,earning £2.50 per hour, already behind them is it not fair to expect a fair days wage for a fair days work?
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£5.93 - the main rate for workers aged 21 and over
£4.92 - the 18-20 rate
£3.64 - the 16-17 rate for workers above school leaving age but under 18
£2.50 - the apprentice rate, for apprentices under 19 or 19 or over and in the first year of their apprenticeship
The above are the minimum wage rates, traditionally the rates for serving an apprenticeship have always been low, it was in my apprenticeship days, however when i come out of my time the rates almost doubled, i don't know what the going rate is for a time served mechanic, but i bet its a lot more than £5.93. Looking on the jobseekers website there are jobs on there £10 per hour and upwards. Its also worth bearing in mind that in the UK a mechanic is expected to have his own tools (how earning between £2.50 and minimum wage per hour they are expected to get their own tools is beyond me).
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This potential job is a great opportunity for a young lad/lass to start on the bottom rung, learn the basics of a decent trade, keep their nose clean & earn a little cash to boot.
As a young 17 year old lad my old man got me a job chasing chickens in rural Lincolnshire. I lasted 20 minutes before I thumbed a lift into the city & joined the Army as a mechanic. The chicken chaser paid better money but the potential of a trade paid dividends.
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The above are the minimum wage rates, traditionally the rates for serving an apprenticeship have always been low, it was in my apprenticeship days, however when i come out of my time the rates almost doubled, i don't know what the going rate is for a time served mechanic, but i bet its a lot more than £5.93. There is a main dealer in Brombourough that pays thier "Master tech" £12.50 an hour plus overtime. (No names mentioned)
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I think Special K hit the nail on the head.
Contrary to what you may think Hiekel_Essterol (ah I just got it) I do agree with you!
My girlfriend spent 3 years college/training/placements etc
She's only getting minimum wage and has been at the place for a few years! hopefully she can negotiate her pay or move on somewhere else... It's better than her being out of work as it will look better on her cv...
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As i said before, wages have always been low for trainees, not saying its right but thats the way it is. The problem is when a persons skills are not recognised when fully skilled.
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I think it must take into consideration how much work and what is expected there and for how long (also whether cards in or not)also reading posts about chrisgilly by other members have said he does a good and very reasonably priced job.
May do for someone unemployed wanting to get a bit of cash in the runup to xmas
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As i said before, wages have always been low for trainees, not saying its right but thats the way it is. The problem is when a persons skills are not recognised when fully skilled. Yes its one thing for wages to be low while training. What you dont make in money you gain in invaluable experience and education on the job. However when its acceptable to pay minimum wage for the experience and skills earned thats another thing. If the OP is looking to take someone and train them etc thats one thing. But he is asking for a mechanic for minimum wage. Mechanic to me is someone fully trained. ANd like I have said, why train for 3 years to earn minimum wage when you can do that after 3 minutes training.
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As i said before, wages have always been low for trainees, not saying its right but thats the way it is. The problem is when a persons skills are not recognised when fully skilled. Well said Bert1 !! Bang on.
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Hopefully ChrisGilly can elaborate further regarding what he might be after then.
I personally don't think he is after a time served mechanic who he can pay on the cheap. Rather a youngun who can help clean the place clean, make a brew & give a hand whilst learning the ropes.
Good on him.
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