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I have to add that in the good times of New Labour, riding high on the Conservatives booming economy and spending like there was no tomorrow, wasting billions and borrowing tens of billions, it was a nice dream, whilst it lasted, but thats all it could ever have been, a nice dream.

It's n very similar scenario to all these people who aspire to have everything in life, but can't really afford it, so get it all on credit cards etc beyond their means, and when the shit hits the fan, they end up with nothing - they may not even have control over problems that occur within their lives (global recession/higher taxes/cost of basic living/illness/job loss etc).

How many times have people seen others in this position and said "it's their own fault, I have little sympathy for them" (barring cases of illness maybe), do all Labour supporters instead say, its their banks fault for them spending that money so wrecklessly, its the recessions fault for them coming acropper for living beyond their means, its the price of petrols fault for their downfall etc... some people will blame the banks etc, but at the end of the day, its the person to blame, not the system.

Anybody can build new hospitals,new schools, increase public employment and all the other things that have been done if they use the nations CREDIT CARD and run up a mountain of DEBT and since labours second term in office that what they have done.

Margaret Thatcher got the country into the mess originally. the country has never recovered. Everyone knows that, but everyone has forgotten how awful the Tory government was.

i remember the 80s, manufacturing gone coal pits gone although icouldnt stand scargill. will we be heating or eating this winter.

Oh... so your saying things that happened in the 80's, are to blame for Labours handling of the economy in 13 years of power? Behave that man, all Maggie did was close down and privatise LOSS-MAKING (to the tune of BILLIONS) publically owned industries, after the Labour government of 79 left the country for dead with not a penny to spend. Have you not heard of the winter or discontent?

New Labour on the otherhand, were happy to continue wasting public money just to keep prisoners, doleys, bagheads and bankers happy, but they couldnt be bothered to spare a penny for the liked of MG-Rover and Woolworths... what is the difference between uncompetitive, massively loss-making, publically-funded businesses that were costing the taxpayer billions to operate, being shut down in the 80's and the government not helping private mass-employers stay afloat in the 00's? The only real difference is one was eating up a lot of public finances, the other wasnt.

If the Tories had not closed the pits in the 80's or 90's, and their decline in productivity and competitiveness had continued at the staggering rate it was already doing, would you still be happy to be throwing hundreds of billions a year to keep them open? The Unions (and therefore Labour) and shoulder some of the blame for the decline in the coal industry, it was they who decided to strike etc which caused the loss of international market-share and trust.

I got the distinct impression that Northern Rock was forced out the market by the other banks, they were the Virgin Airlines of the banking world, except in this case the competitors won by foul means or fair.

I think a few of us are starting to realise why Scargill was so angry and persistent/insistent - he was right, it WAS Government policy to close down the coal mines. Like him or hate him you can't say he didn't try and fight it.

this could change our local council and put jeff green in charge.

glad new labour has gone the days of the working class in their flat caps and scarves have gone most of them live in three bed semis drive cars and want to better themselves still vote labour though

does anyone know where all these jobs are coming from that Cameron wants people to get of job seekers and have? As i know being in work the ammount of C.Vs we get a week and there is no jobs going in the first place, and people in work find it hard to move on to another better job due to lack of work.

My family will be heating and eating dont freeze in my house unless my heating breaks down starakita can always go and get stick s from the woods for your coal fire

2 of my sons were on TNG courses one after security badge one for office admin
Both were asked to work in Barnado's charity shop Bromborough where there were already several others from TNG
Also chatted to a fellow in a charity shop in Oxton rd who was placed there by TNG
I suspect jobs may be created where you get a small topup (for fares, meals etc} about £30 on top of dole or only for minimum hours
A nephew is on a 4hour contract with one of the supermarkets
altho he works more

yeah labour did that, it's called new deal, you get extra and a bus pass for doing charity work or working vol.

Thatcher has problems with unions, and a 'with us or not' attitude. I remember the 80's quite well. It was fooking horrible. Please don't take offence, but please stop getting frothed up about David Cameron.

What the fook has Thatcher, got to do with Gordon Brown and New Labours failiure? Can you please stop getting frothed up about a Prime Minister who took power 3 decades ago and was ousted 2 decades ago.

Its always the same old argument with bitter Labour supporters, they always look to the past to defend their own parties failiures, New Labour inherited a booming economy, with low taxation and public and private debt. They completely savaged that and now we are on the brink of bankruptcy (im not sure people realise quite how close to it we truely are).

THAT WAS FOOK ALL TO DO WITH MARGARET THATCHER, SO STOP LIVING IN THE PAST AND ACCEPT THAT LABOUR FAILED AND AS A RESULT HAVE BEEN RIGHTLY REMOVED FROM GOVERNMENT.

Look to the future and concentrate on whats ahead, id be more concerned if I were a Labour support, about who is going to become the next leader, and what direction the party is going to take, now that the New Labour experiment has miserably failed. It's not just a case of elect a new leader and hey presto off you go, you have FAR greater problems that need addressing, and the reasons Labour have lost are far more deep-rooted than simply because Gordon Brown was unpopular.

We've been on the losing side of elections for 11 years, up until last years local elections, so we know what its like to be defeated, but you just get on with it and accept that you have usually lost through nobodies fault but that of your own.

Had New Labour been voted out after 5 years, maybe you could have argued that the problems were caused John Major's revious government, but after 13 years of rule, you can't use the "it was the last government's fault" get out of jail free card.

o....k.... Where do i stand then? Im a trained, qualified and 'experienced professional'. Currently, i do my stuff voluntary-
Coz there aint any jobs!?!