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bert1 I have never once said that the tv show were using "untrained and unsupervised dogs that show that amount of aggression". I have simply stated that dogs caged and taunted by celebs scurrying past them covered in meat is wrong and should not have happened. The only other point I made was that the PROGRAMME MAKERS are trying to make them out as something to be afriad of by using them in a programme about "scary challenges". Therefore i dont see how I, in any way could damage the reputation of the breed and how my letters of complaint could in an remote way lead to dogs being out down. it is, as you said, your opinion which you are entitled to and thats fair enough but I am entitled to mine also and mine is that your opinion is a load of old @%$£

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Of course we are all entitled to our opinions and hopefully without the need for abusive language or innuendo, it is my opinion that the so called dog lovers, though in this case breed lovers have shot themselves in the foot, what would have passed as a silly little programme that just happened to have dogs in could now turn in to a debate on how reliable a breed is or is not. While your concern maybe how a particular breed was treated by a TV programme and your concerns for their health and safety and how they were made to look. What will happen will be old prejudices will be dragged up that the GSD owners took years to shake off. It will come as no surprise to me that the next dog attack report in the papers will be reported as being done by GSD type dog. It is my belief this is what happens when something is made out of nothing.


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Im bored of this topic now, im sure if the animals in the show were not happy they could always sue the programme makers

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Originally Posted by bert1
Of course we are all entitled to our opinions and hopefully without the need for abusive language or innuendo, it is my opinion that the so called dog lovers, though in this case breed lovers have shot themselves in the foot, what would have passed as a silly little programme that just happened to have dogs in could now turn in to a debate on how reliable a breed is or is not. While your concern maybe how a particular breed was treated by a TV programme and your concerns for their health and safety and how they were made to look. What will happen will be old prejudices will be dragged up that the GSD owners took years to shake off. It will come as no surprise to me that the next dog attack report in the papers will be reported as being done by GSD type dog. It is my belief this is what happens when something is made out of nothing.


how can you say that WE have damaged the breed by complaining about the way they where treated.what a ridiculous statement to make.
(and WE would of complained no matter what breed was used BTW)
ITV have done nothing but exploit this wonderful breed of dog for viewers amusement. In doing this they are no doubt giving German Shepherds a bad name, which they do NOT deserve. ITV has started the wheels in motion to spread doubt to impressionable people about these wonderful dogs.

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With this compensation culture we have now adays and all the dogooders , do you honestly think programme makers would make a show that was harmfull to animals. They would be terrified in case animal right activists got involved.

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With this compensation culture we have now adays and all the dogooders , do you honestly think programme makers would make a show that was harmfull to animals. They would be terrified in case animal right activists got involved.


errrm! they did it's called the 'The Door'

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You will be saying next that lassie should'nt have made all those films

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You will be saying next that lassie should'nt have made all those films


why???????????????
I thought you where bored with this thread anyway.

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Respect to Tilly as she stands by her views, I do disagree with them and I sense that she respects my views which are the same as bert's.

Good healthy debate is good and one we should encourage it, lets just make sure things dont get out of hand and personal.

Also I am unsure as to whether I will post anymore, I did not realize when I registered that people could take part in topics without signing up. Dont like that as we could be seeing Anonymous when in reality it could be someone just stirring and how do the people in charge deal with Anonymous users?

Will look in and decide whether to continue asap.

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how can you say that WE have damaged the breed by complaining about the way they where treated.what a ridiculous statement to make.
(and WE would of complained no matter what breed was used BTW)
ITV have done nothing but exploit this wonderful breed of dog for viewers amusement. In doing this they are no doubt giving German Shepherds a bad name, which they do NOT deserve. ITV has started the wheels in motion to spread doubt to impressionable people about these wonderful dogs. [/quote]

If ITV are giving the breed a bad name and have started the wheels in motion to spread doubt about the breed, what you and anonymous are doing is fueling the fire to give non dog lovers and people in society who want to see all dogs classed as dangerous animals a platform to do damage while debating it. If it was left well alone and let the silly programme slip in to the distant past, nothing would have been said. I still believe the animals came to no harm and it was just role play. If in anyway i thought for one minute cruelty was involved i would be shouting myself. What will now possibly happen while you are shouting how good the breed is and the benefits in owning one, you will now get people speaking up against the breed who have had bad experiences of them. All because of a stupid programme.


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Respect to Tilly as she stands by her views, I do disagree with them and I sense that she respects my views which are the same as bert's.

Good healthy debate is good and one we should encourage it, lets just make sure things dont get out of hand and personal.

Also I am unsure as to whether I will post anymore, I did not realize when I registered that people could take part in topics without signing up. Dont like that as we could be seeing Anonymous when in reality it could be someone just stirring and how do the people in charge deal with Anonymous users?

Will look in and decide whether to continue asap.


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Well said bert.

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