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Lol, lets not be falling out over this guys, i have to go, up early
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Was it rational to allow some dogs to tear a fox and cat to pieces, alive? Is this the type of human being we want in our society?
A suspended prison sentence says it's a-ok for people to do things like this. A short prison sentence will give him a holiday, and will certainlly not deter him from commiting future crimes (which he will do, given how warped his way of thinking must be). Give him life in prison - that cost's the taxpayer £28,000 per annum, and achieves nothing, because he lives the life of reilly, and it will only improve if Labour and the human rights activists have their own way.
The only suitable punishment imho, is to let this scumbag have a taste of his own medicine, let him yelp for his life like that poor cat had to whilst being torn apart.
If we want to do things humanely, hang the bastad and have done with it.
If prisons were a place of detention with only the most basic of human rights as stated in the post above, then maybe that might be a suitable form of punishment, but we all know they are nothing more than a locked-up social club.
Either of the last two may prove enough of a deterrent to save just one innocent animals life in the future... but regardless, it sends out the message to other sick fooks that society will not tolerate these horrorific acts.
Just because its an animal, does not make it any lesser of a crime (though under UK law, it will be seen as that - one thing the Nazi party did have right was they believed fundamentally in the rights of animals).
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The only suitable punishment imho, is to let this scumbag have a taste of his own medicine, let him yelp for his life like that poor cat had to whilst being torn apart.
I'm sorry but retribution cannot be the right way forward. If that was the case society would be a place where you cut off someones ear if the spilled your coffee ffs. Whwn will the world stop wanting the utmost punishment for any crime?
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Since when has spilling coffee, been a crime? Again, you are taking this out of proportion - we are talking about crime and criminals, and more noteably, lowlife, sick, sadistic, ....
He didnt rob Tesco, he didnt get caught not wearing a seatbelt in a moving car, lets keep it in the context of the crime. For most crimes, simply making prison a very strict, non-luxury place of detention would suffice, and offer a much stronger deterrent than what we currently have.
For ..., who are warped in the head and commit sickening acts such as this, why should'nt they face the utmost punishment for their crimes?
I don't want people like this walking the streets, posing a risk to every decent human being in this land - id rather have shot of all these rapists, murderers, child abusers, sicko's etc. How long are we going to allow ... like the Bulgar murderers take the piss out of society, be looked after by the authorities and lead full and enjoyable lives? How long are we going to keep paying to keep rapists in relatively enjoyable surroundings, in many cases that are better than hard-working and honest human beings on the lowest wages?
How long are we prepared to put up with crime? This softly-softly approach since the abolition of hanging has not worked, prison life is getting easier and easier and there is no longer any deterrent.
I see it as simple - if people don't want to do the time, they don't do the crime - as it stands right now, people will risk doing the crime, because the time isnt very hard for them to be doing, if indeed they even get a custodial sentence. Let's have a go at returning to capital punishment, making prisons a place of dentention, because it certainly cannot make crime any worse than it is now!
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No wonder you were having a go at me Matt, with that point of view,no-one could possibly compete in the "i'm Hitler's little brother" stakes. FYI I'm not a tree hugger or a liberal who wants criminals to get off lightly but I also don't want to go around scaremongering and calling for the death penalty for anyone who oversteps the line. Get a grip or else get some councelling.
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Some sound advice for yourself to take heed of there, supporting sick barstard like this, practically condoning what he has done (without actually saying so) and making your case for him to be let off scot-free. You wernt one of his chums were you? Because if your not a "tree hugger or a liberal who wants criminals to get off lightly", then you must have some other motive for these criminals to get off lightly? Anything you want to get off your chest? Maybe you should pop down your nearest police station and confess? All I personally want, is a country where crime is pressed upon hard, ive no problem with criminals being surpressed, I just want to live in peace and security and not have to fear what criminal will strike me or a member of my family/friends. Or any innocent person or animal for that matter. It's quite clear that the current approach with criminals isnt working, as crime is soaring and sick crimes like this are becoming more and more commonplace. It's time for a different approach, its time to PUNISH the criminals and let the honest, hard working decent folk reap the rewards and benefits of a life with substantially less crime. If you want to leave the current crime situation as it is, and let the criminals continue running free, wrecking the place, terrorising innocent people and animals, killing and raping pensioners, children and babies, then I would strongly suggest you get some professional help, because that is as warped thinking as the ... concerned in the OP. I hope you and no member of your family is never affected by a horrific crime like this, but if you were, I should think you might then wake up and smell the coffee. Oh, and the Court Of Appeal certainly seems to share my view, as do the majority of the public, judging from recent events and polls.
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Look, just go back to the start of this topic and read what was said. I never condoned them but neither did I accept your idea of them being ripped apart by dogs. the end doen't justify the means.
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We are going to have to agree to disagree here.
Just out of interest considering we have different views on crime and punishment techniques, how do you stand on the recent Munir Hussain case? My personal opinion, quite predictably, is I say give the guy a medal. It is simply another prime example of a failing justice system imho.
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He defended his family admirably
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Interesting, thanks for sharing
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Im not entirely sure on whether you are looking at the punishment towards the child or the punishment towards the man, but id assume the man.
Give him the maximum sentence possible for the crime - he is obviously not a suitable parent and should never be allowed access to any children in an un-supervised situation ever again. Being drunk is no excuse for a crime like that.
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My point again is-the end doesn't justify the means.
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Huh? You are saying you would trust this moron around children?
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ffs no, this is getting stupid now-I'm going to bed, suggest you do the same-we can shake hands and agree to disagree in the morning.
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