WikiWirral Share a Little Learn a Lot about your Wirral
Forum Stats
12137 Members
65 Forums
72394 Topics
976144 Posts
33 posts in the last 24hrs
Max Online: 7831 @ 8th Apr 2013 4:18pm
Who's Online - Click Me
92 registered (11kendo, 11 invisible), 1483 Guests and 202 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


(Views 7days)This Weeks Most Read
Vet help 534
Another Big Waste Fire in Liverpool. 500
Name help 446
Talk Talk Security Breach 374
Another tree down on Arrowe park Road? 270
Anyone Read Chinese Writing 245
Mobile mechanic needed to fit a wishbone 231
That was kept a bit quiet? 218
RIP Peter Vaughan 169
MIG welder 145
New General Forums
Lib/dems rule the day
by JimmyG
2nd Dec 2016 10:59pm
Daft funny joke
by venice
2nd Dec 2016 5:54pm
We dont learn much.
by venice
1st Dec 2016 9:22pm
Freegle
by venice
1st Dec 2016 6:36pm
New Wirral History
Name help
by Paternoster21
3rd Dec 2016 8:03am
HMT Lancastria
by granny
2nd Dec 2016 11:38pm
Cubitts Holland and Hannen
by fish5133
27th Nov 2016 5:38pm
Fire station
by chris7777
22nd Nov 2016 12:24pm
Buy a house in Greasby for 12s a week - in 1935
by yoller
6th Oct 2016 6:56pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
fireworks on the Mersey last night
Hadlow train station
Topic Replies
Anyone Read Chinese Writing
by Tranquil
58 minutes 53 seconds ago
Talk Talk Security Breach
by eddtheduck
Yesterday at 10:46 PM
HMT Lancastria
by venice
Yesterday at 02:59 PM
Geert Wilders
by fish5133
Yesterday at 02:44 PM
Royal Mail Online Postal Prices
by fish5133
Yesterday at 02:32 PM
Blank Page : Offline
by Mark
Yesterday at 08:08 AM
Vet help
by venice
8th Dec 2016 9:57pm
Micro desktop PC
by anniebo28
8th Dec 2016 2:24pm
RIP Peter Vaughan
by Gibbo
8th Dec 2016 10:56am
December
M Tu W Th F Sa Su
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Wirral TUC Meeting re Update on Wallasey CLP Suspe
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:16pm
World Aids Day Event 2016. Liverpool
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:05pm
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#340350 - 3rd Aug 2009 12:13pm Jaguar XFR Beats BMW M5...
MattLFC Offline
Wiki Master

Registered: 14th Aug 2004
Posts: 22315
Loc: Moreton/Beirut/Mobile
in a review by one of the major GERMAN motoring magazines!!!

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/vergl...ch-1361502.html



Pretty shocking News, as nothing non-German ever comes out top in the German press, least of all a Jaguar, and certainly not against what the Germans seem to consider as "ze best car in ze world".

What with the absolutely stunning all-new XJ being released soon, and now a true M5 basher in the armoury, maybe Jaguar will have a brighter future?

But then again, its British, so I have little doubt that the UK motoring press and Top Gear between them, will do nothing but slate them at every opportunity, no matter how good their cars are...

Top
AutoWirral : Advertising
Click me for more Information......

WikiWirral Numbers : Between 150 and 200 New Members Every Month. With Over 3,500 unique visits and 35,000 Page Views each day. Average +500 Search Engines Daily and over 1,000,000 Million Page views a Month. Advertising from 20 . Click Me
#340351 - 3rd Aug 2009 12:18pm Re: Jaguar XFR Beats BMW M5... [Re: MattLFC]
StuyMac Online   content

Wiki Master

Registered: 24th Nov 2003
Posts: 12002
Loc: Wirralshire
Originally Posted By: MattLFC
But then again, its British, so I have little doubt that the UK motoring press and Top Gear between them, will do nothing but slate them at every opportunity, no matter how good their cars are...


I think youll find Top Gear tested it last week and loved it think
_________________________


What If There Were No Hypothetical Questions?

Top
#340354 - 3rd Aug 2009 12:22pm Re: Jaguar XFR Beats BMW M5... [Re: StuyMac]
MattLFC Offline
Wiki Master

Registered: 14th Aug 2004
Posts: 22315
Loc: Moreton/Beirut/Mobile
We will see in 12 months as to whether TG will actually support, or continue their long-running crusade against all things British lol. As I said, it does not matter how good the cars are, TG and the British motoring press don't like anything British, especially not marques with deep heritage and that arnt seen as trendy.

Just a shame its TATA now, as your guaranteed they will be picking at the quality of Indian cars lmao.

Top
#340355 - 3rd Aug 2009 12:25pm Re: Jaguar XFR Beats BMW M5... [Re: MattLFC]
MattLFC Offline
Wiki Master

Registered: 14th Aug 2004
Posts: 22315
Loc: Moreton/Beirut/Mobile
Did they put it on the cool wall by any chance? Cos I can just imagine it...

"its the best sporting saloon in the world... but it's a Jaguar, so thats deffo uncool".

Usually what happens lol.

Top
#340356 - 3rd Aug 2009 12:26pm Re: Jaguar XFR Beats BMW M5... [Re: MattLFC]
StuyMac Online   content

Wiki Master

Registered: 24th Nov 2003
Posts: 12002
Loc: Wirralshire
I cant see how that would change - unless, a) something better comes out, or b) it starts to breakdown and fall apart.
_________________________


What If There Were No Hypothetical Questions?

Top
#340359 - 3rd Aug 2009 12:36pm Re: Jaguar XFR Beats BMW M5... [Re: StuyMac]
MattLFC Offline
Wiki Master

Registered: 14th Aug 2004
Posts: 22315
Loc: Moreton/Beirut/Mobile
Well I do hope we Brits get behind Jag tbh, they have done the best thing they could in scrapping the miserly Mondeo from their range, and the new range of cars is looking a pretty strong lineup.

They are getting back to their roots now Ford are not involved, Jaguar was never about cheap cars like the Mondeo, it should be about prestige, class, quality and comfort, alongside good all-round performance.

smile

Top
#340368 - 3rd Aug 2009 12:55pm Re: Jaguar XFR Beats BMW M5... [Re: MattLFC]
MGCraig Offline
AlfaHolic
Forum Veteran

Registered: 16th Apr 2006
Posts: 5488
Loc: Spital
Well said Matt..

But like all things typically British.. the view is that people will be scared to try something new.. and stick with their Mundane M5s and S4s etc etc..

Its always the way Im afraid...
"Oh..That looks nice. Wouldnt have one myself though. Il stick with a brand I can trust"
_________________________


------------------------------------------------------------

Top
#340440 - 3rd Aug 2009 6:32pm Re: Jaguar XFR Beats BMW M5... [Re: MGCraig]
Neston_Vasey Offline
Member

Registered: 31st Oct 2008
Posts: 61
Loc: Wirral
When have Tata been a British brand?

Ok I know the XFR is designed by Ford Europe (Although Ford is American) but it is in the hands of Tata (Indian) now, and Tata are in big trouble after buying Jag & Land Rover.

I love the XF, and I hope Tata have success with it, but there is a question over the Tata / Jag connection, and re-Sale price figures.
_________________________

Top
#340443 - 3rd Aug 2009 7:05pm Re: Jaguar XFR Beats BMW M5... [Re: Neston_Vasey]
MattLFC Offline
Wiki Master

Registered: 14th Aug 2004
Posts: 22315
Loc: Moreton/Beirut/Mobile
Jaguar XF
Lead Designer: Ian Callum (British)
Developed At: Coventry (British)
Produced At: Birmingham (British)
Envisaged Primary Market: Britain (British)

That's just about as British as you will get; so it was funded by Ford, followed by TATA, but the Rover 75 was funded by BMW (open cheque book, something BAe would'nt have allowed), yet that is still regarded as a fully British car.

As for TATA, please don't believe all the media shite that is published about them being close to bankruptcy etc... they are MASSIVE, and by that I mean gigantic. They generate more annual revenue than Microsoft and are one of the largest companies on earth in terms of capitlization. JLR has lost them money, but that was guaranteed to happen when you acquire a massive, already loss-making car manufacturer at a time of global recession and an overall slump in the world car industry. TATA have their fingers in more pies than Hollands, and will be taking on JLR as a long-term project. True, they have asked governments for financial aid, but when just about every other major car manufacturer is recieving billions in aid from goverments around the globe, why should'nt they have a slice of the action??

smile

Top
#340940 - 6th Aug 2009 10:08am Re: Jaguar XFR Beats BMW M5... [Re: MattLFC]
chris bmw M3 Offline
Smartchild

Registered: 8th Mar 2005
Posts: 410
Loc: Bidston
SO...You all MUST drive British cars then??? lol. When it comes to supporting your country you are not as dedicated to it as you may think...ie-always buy British!! lol

Top
#341412 - 9th Aug 2009 1:08pm Re: Jaguar XFR Beats BMW M5... [Re: chris bmw M3]
Johnny Alan Offline
Forum Addict

Registered: 15th Sep 2004
Posts: 2082
Loc: wirral
Originally Posted By: chris bmw M3
SO...You all MUST drive British cars then??? lol. When it comes to supporting your country you are not as dedicated to it as you may think...ie-always buy British!! lol


Exactly right to be honest. hence why manufacturing is hitting rock bottom in this country and has done for a number of years. japs drive japs, americans drive americans, british anything but british partially due to their being hardly any to drive. lol
_________________________
Zoom,Beep,Zoom,Beep,Zoom,Beep.....................

Top
#341997 - 12th Aug 2009 12:23pm Re: Jaguar XFR Beats BMW M5... [Re: MattLFC]
DavidB Offline
Wiki Guide

Registered: 7th Dec 2003
Posts: 5591
Loc: Bebington, Wirral
Originally Posted By: MattLFC
We will see in 12 months as to whether TG will actually support, or continue their long-running crusade against all things British lol.


I've noticed that, but it's true in all British motor press. Porsche 911 and BMW M3s, that's all they seem to care about.

Originally Posted By: MattLFC
Jaguar XF
Lead Designer: Ian Callum (British)
Developed At: Coventry (British)
Produced At: Birmingham (British)
Envisaged Primary Market: Britain (British)



A lot of engineering and design is done over here, so apart from losing all mass production we still play a big part. It's depressing when you think how much has gone.


Edited by Violet (12th Aug 2009 12:26pm)
_________________________
"C20 LET bang"

Top

Moderator:  StuyMac 
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Anyone Read Chinese Writing
by Tranquil
Yesterday at 03:47 PM
Talk Talk Security Breach
by fish5133
7th Dec 2016 6:19pm
Mobile mechanic needed to fit a wishbone
by anniebo28
6th Dec 2016 7:13pm
Vet help
by colin86
6th Dec 2016 6:25pm
Another tree down on Arrowe park Road?
by Davefabo
6th Dec 2016 11:08am
For Sale & Free
Micro desktop PC
by anniebo28
8th Dec 2016 2:24pm
Iphone 5s, Grey, near mint condition, 50
by anniebo28
7th Dec 2016 7:40pm
Roberts Concerto 2 CD Player For Visually Impaired
by Tranquil
6th Dec 2016 10:05pm
Gaming chair
by monsterz4
6th Dec 2016 8:27pm
MIG welder
by anniebo28
6th Dec 2016 1:34am
Featured Member
Registered: 2nd Jan 2011
Posts: 495
Newest Members
lucyw, BarbaraL, SherryLover, missyb, DavidSharpe
12137 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
GingerTom (2016)
New Wirral Info
Anyone Read Chinese Writing
by Tranquil
Yesterday at 03:47 PM
Gymnastics coaches needed.
by margy
3rd Dec 2016 9:28pm
Wirral Globe
by locomotive
1st Dec 2016 6:25pm
Wirral TUC Meeting re Update on Wallasey CLP Suspe
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:16pm
World Aids Day Event 2016. Liverpool
by RUDEBOX
30th Nov 2016 9:05pm
News : New Topics
Geert Wilders
by fish5133
Yesterday at 02:44 PM
RIP Peter Vaughan
by diggingdeeper
7th Dec 2016 4:22am
That was kept a bit quiet?
by venice
6th Dec 2016 11:25am
Another tree down on Arrowe park Road?
by Davefabo
6th Dec 2016 11:08am
Bunchems Xmas present warning
by venice
6th Dec 2016 9:28am
New Enthusiast Forums
Talk Talk Security Breach
by fish5133
7th Dec 2016 6:19pm
Mobile mechanic needed to fit a wishbone
by anniebo28
6th Dec 2016 7:13pm
Vet help
by colin86
6th Dec 2016 6:25pm
Game shocking prices!!!
by eddtheduck
5th Dec 2016 4:55pm
54 plate renault clio 3rd brake light
by Mike72
1st Dec 2016 12:52pm
(Views 24hrs)Trending Newest Topics
Anyone Read Chinese Writing 245
Geert Wilders 56
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Sat 8:18am
Sunset Sat 3:52pm
Local Time Sat 2:43am
WikiWirral Can . . . .
Advertising Click me
To Advertise with
Wikiwirral Click Me