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Whats being forgotten here is these 2 dogs may not even been considered dangerous, even by the person who tried to separate them, hence the reason he tried, but it should be made clear to anyone who considers separating fighting dogs, you in turn become the potential enemy.  Yes, as i said before, people seem to forget that dogs are not supposed to be `pets` Let that be a lesson to you all! Bravo 
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I think another issue is the fact that the dogs may not have seen him as "higher up in the pecking order" so to speak. My dog sees me as the one in charge - what I say goes. She only sees 3 other people like that. Someone on here (I think it was Token) has a Mother who trains dogs I believe, so would be able to either tell me I'm right or wrong on that front.
Thankfully, my dog is far too daft to fight, but if she did - I wouldn't allow anyone else to get involved. She is my responsibility. As much as it would crucify me, if she WERE to ever hurt anyone, I'd have no other choice (personally) but to have her euthanised - but ONLY if she was the instigator and it was an unwarranted attack. The only time this would not apply would be if it involved a child - in that case, she would have to go.
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I do and have had dogs all my life, including German Shepherds.
Exellent, i too grew up with a German Shepherd At the parents house, my cause for concern was due to me, also being a dog owner. I own a Rottwieler, these dogs are highly overrated to be aggressive and nasty, thats bullshit, it depends on who has brought them up. But, if anything did happen and my dog did something wrong it would be plastered all over the news and exaggerated a lot. Then i`d be done for manslaughter. PJ has set my mind at rest now anyway, lol Ste, i grew up with German Shepherds being bombarded by the press, they were blamed for everything that was bad and then they got stuck into dobermans, then rottweiler and now its pit bulls and that type of dog. You can only do your best when bringing them up. Always keep a watchful eye.
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If any of my dogs attacked me when I did anything to them, I would have them put down. If it tried a sustained attack on me it would be dead a long time before it was put down, and that is why I disagree with staffs etc, if they attack you, they can get the better of you and that's why they should be strictly controlled - permanent muzzle, or better still, not allowed as a pet.
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If any of my dogs attacked me when I did anything to them, I would have them put down. If it tried a sustained attack on me it would be dead a long time before it was put down, and that is why I disagree with staffs etc, if they attack you, they can get the better of you and that's why they should be strictly controlled - permanent muzzle, or better still, not allowed as a pet. I had a staff when i left home and got my 1st flat. Lovely dogs, very playful, no aggresion at all and very good with children. 
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Until......
Why do we not allow leopards, tigers etc -you can train them to be nice and playfull, until .....
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my staff has never got the better of me and never will, he knows whos boss.hes very playful very good with the children and has been for the 8/9 years we have had him no aggresion what so ever. like i have said its the owners not the dog.
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Until......
Why do we not allow leopards, tigers etc -you can train them to be nice and playful, until ..... No they are in a different league, they are wild hunters.
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Hunters - yes - so if they are fed they aren't a danger, until .....
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I think another issue is the fact that the dogs may not have seen him as "higher up in the pecking order" so to speak. My dog sees me as the one in charge - what I say goes. She only sees 3 other people like that. Someone on here (I think it was Token) has a Mother who trains dogs I believe, so would be able to either tell me I'm right or wrong on that front.
Thankfully, my dog is far too daft to fight, but if she did - I wouldn't allow anyone else to get involved. She is my responsibility. As much as it would crucify me, if she WERE to ever hurt anyone, I'd have no other choice (personally) but to have her euthanised - but ONLY if she was the instigator and it was an unwarranted attack. The only time this would not apply would be if it involved a child - in that case, she would have to go.
Dogs are pack animals and do have a pecking order and we should be seen as the pack leader, they will from time to time challenge that leadership in there own little way, being disobedient and maybe naughty, that's when they need putting firmly in there place, otherwise they'll walk all over you.
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So that child the dog has not met before, the dog has to establish his pecking order.
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So that child the dog has not met before, the dog has to establish his pecking order. Quite possible and territory would come in to it also. This is why you see jealousy when the child arrives after the dog.
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Ok, my last word on this (until the topic is raised again) ....
As a responsible dog owner, I would want to know that I could physically protect a child should my dog attack, I can do this with all the breeds that I would have as a pet. I could not do that with breeds such as pitbulls, Staffs, Rotts and possibly even alsations.
Nobody can physically open a pitbull's mouth once it is locked on, nobody can stop it shaking the victim.
I love to see these dogs when they are well behaved and soft as mick, but the risk is too high for me. Even dogs have bad hair days.
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There are ways round that though. Just because a baby comes into the house does not mean that the dog has to go. DD - I'm still waiting for your statistics link from the previous discussion 
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The only group in the UK that collected stats (by accumulating newspaper articles) have apparently been eaten by a group of poodles - or at least their web site is down.
The USA stats which are available are not particularly valid due to the completely different make-up of the quantity of each breed in the states, and the fact that the stats collector are breed haters. In one case they claimed 97% of all attacks were by one particular breed, whilst that strenghtens my arguement, it would be very foolish of me to use it seriously.
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