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#266515 - 28th Oct 2008 12:57pm The mpg mythbusters
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There are many theories on how to improve economy, but which ones actually work?




Autoexpress did some tests with a Vauxhall Astra 1.9 CDTI SRi


Air-conditioning

The first test simply involved pushing a button on the centre console to activate the air-con. There was a slight change in engine revs as Alan did it, then he and Anthony headed out on to the route.

Sixteen minutes later, they were back – with some dramatic results. “It’s made an eight per cent difference,” explained Anthony. “The mpg has gone from the baseline of 30.5mpg to 28mpg.” His computer highlighted the biggest difference was on the city course. “If I isolate that 0.8-mile stage from the whole route, Alan was getting only 20.2mpg: it was 25.6mpg on the baseline run.” He explained that because the engine revs were lower, the vehicle is running slower, so there’s an effect on economy. “What’s also interesting is that when we were on the bowl, the difference in fuel use between the baseline run and with air-con on is virtually nothing. They were both around 39mpg.”


Open windows

Here’s another piece of accepted wisdom for getting the most out of a tank of fuel; if you have the air-con off, you should open the windows for fresh air. But only open them very slightly or it spoils your aerodynamics and cuts economy. After a couple of laps of Millbrook, we can safely say that’s rubbish! On the first run we had the front two open a third, and fuel economy was only a tenth off the baseline measurement. Going out again, with the two windows fully open, it knocked the figure down by a further two-tenths.


Tyre pressures

A tyre with low pressure has a larger footprint on the road, which means a greater rolling resistance. In short, it means the engine has to work harder and more fuel is used. The Astra’s tyres were checked at the start of the day and were at Vauxhall’s recommended figures of 39psi at the front and 36psi at the rear. For this lap of our circuit, we took all four down to 20psi to see what impact it had.

The result surprised everyone. Anthony’s box of tricks showed fuel economy only dipped a fraction at 29.7mpg. In fact, we ran the test a second time to ensure the figures were right, and got a similar outcome. “I would have thought there would be a big difference between the test and our baseline,” Anthony explained. “But the two graphs are virtually the same.”

Alan had reported very little in the way of handling difference on the two runs, and the only conclusion we could draw was that it was down to the Astra’s low-profile tyres. “Things would be very different in the wet,” warned our expert.



Three in the rear

It was time to get cosy on the Astra’s back seat. Across the whole course, the Vauxhall’s average dipped from 30.5mpg to 27.2mpg. But delving into the results revealed more information. “The additional weight makes hardly any difference on the low speeds of the city course,” Anthony said. “But at any other point where the car is accelerating – especially going uphill – it’s clear on the graphs where the figures drop.” Isolating the 1.7-mile hill route from the total, Alan was getting 28.4mpg on the baseline run, but that fell to 25.5mpg when the car was loaded with passengers.


Roofbars and box

Getting rid of add-ons when they’re not needed is standard advice if you’re looking to boost your mpg. Why? Because every car is designed to have a low drag, and a roofbox will spoil that. Wrong! Our test with a Thule product showed that even when filled with 72kg of ballast, close to the maximum load limit of 75kg, it only took 0.2mpg off the baseline.

“I’m quite surprised, I thought it would be more,” said Anthony. “I guess it’s because roofbox makers attempt to make them as aerodynamic as possible.” To prove the point, driver Alan said there was no additional wind noise from the box as he was lapping the track.


Holiday time!

We left the loaded roofbox on the Astra and added a Thule bike rack with two adult cycles. We also put our three volunteers in the back of the car and fired up the air-con again. This was our worst-case scenario, simulating a family with a laden car heading off on a camping holiday.

It won’t be a shock to learn we got the lowest result, at 24.1mpg. But Anthony revealed there was very little difference to the baseline figure when simulating motorway driving on the bowl. “You can see the impact most on the hill route, with the baseline of 28.4mpg on that section down to 24.2mpg,” he explained.


Higher speeds

This was our final test. From our experience on the MPG Marathon in the MINI JCW, we knew that slowing down can have a massive impact on fuel economy. But exactly how much? We set the Vauxhall Astra up on Millbrook’s high-speed bowl to do a single lap at 60, 70, 80 and 90mph. Our first run gave a very creditable 52.4mpg, but as our speed built, it soon tailed off.

At 70mph the average was down to 42.3mpg, at 80mph it was 39.7mpg, while 90mph saw it down to 36.1mpg. That’s 16mpg less than travelling at 60mph. Anthony wasn’t surprised. “At 60mph the Astra pulled 1,700rpm, but at 90mph it was 2,600rpm. By keeping the revs low you’re not working the engine so hard and don’t use as much fuel,” he explained.

Powertrain manager Neil Fulton was fascinated by our findings. “These results are a snapshot of one car on one day, but it’s clear that passenger and cargo weight makes a big difference to vehicle economy.”

He said this could be seen time and again on tests carried out on Millbrook’s chassis dynamometer. “Obviously one person taking a set of golf clubs out of his boot when they’re not required isn’t going to make much difference to his fuel use. However, if everyone in the country did it, it would make a impact in terms of protecting the environment.”




Results at a glance

30.5mpg – Astra’s baseline fuel economy
30.4mpg – Two front windows a third open
30.3mpg – Roof bars and laden roofbox
30.2mpg – Two front windows totally open
29.7mpg – Four tyres down to 20psi
28.0mpg – Air-conditioning on
27.2mpg – Three large adult males in the back seat
24.1mpg – Roof bars and laden roofbox, plus three adults in the rear, a bike carrier with two adult bikes and air-con




Eco driving: The main facts

- Air-conditioning makes a big difference when driving at low speeds, but has very little impact on the motorway.
- Having the windows up or down makes very little difference.
- A modern aerodynamic roofbox barely impacts on fuel used.
- Slowing down on the motorway will boost fuel economy dramatically.
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#266529 - 28th Oct 2008 1:33pm Re: The mpg mythbusters [Re: BMW Joe]
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Interesting figures there.. think
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#266531 - 28th Oct 2008 1:34pm Re: The mpg mythbusters [Re: StuyMac]
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Im amazed that a 1.9 Diesel Astra only does 30 mpg !!

Surely that cant be right??
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#266533 - 28th Oct 2008 1:41pm Re: The mpg mythbusters [Re: MGCraig]
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Thinking about it that is quite surprising.

Las t hire car I had was a 1.9 CDTi Vectra ( sick ) and that averaged mid 50's on a 600mile round trip...
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#266617 - 28th Oct 2008 7:44pm Re: The mpg mythbusters [Re: StuyMac]
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My Dads 2.0 cdti vectra only ever averaged high 30's to low 40's, his new avensis petrol does that.
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#266627 - 28th Oct 2008 8:45pm Re: The mpg mythbusters [Re: Dave100e]
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Higher speeds on the motorways is deffo a no-no for economical driving.

I do 60ish on the motorway usually, as it much more efficient (not to mention a bit safer) than 70.

Even my owners manual states my MPG at 56mph is 70 whereas at 70mph it is reduced to a miserly 52!!

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#266630 - 28th Oct 2008 8:56pm Re: The mpg mythbusters [Re: MattLFC]
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The trip computer on the BMW hasnt been reset for nearly 1000miles now. Granted, my daily commute is about 100 miles (all motorway) sticking to 70 on the cruise control, but the trip computer is showing 47.8mpg average (inc round town driving) - not bad for a 3.0 omg
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#266737 - 29th Oct 2008 9:27am Re: The mpg mythbusters [Re: StuyMac]
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Good figures there Stu...think I will have to get one..My 540i is currently doin 13.9mpg!! (on gas)

I think the Astra in the test will have been redlined in every gear upto the required speed as to give an accurate and easily obtainable comparison between runs(hence low figures)

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#266740 - 29th Oct 2008 9:45am Re: The mpg mythbusters [Re: chris bmw M3]
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Hmmm, V8-ness though grin
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