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#255189 - 5th Sep 2008 12:39pm shared Everton and Liverpool stadium
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THE government has offered to broker talks between Liverpool FC and Everton FC about building a shared stadium.

Sport secretary Andy Burnham MP, a lifelong Evertonian, made the pledge to mediate discussions while visiting young footballers in the city yesterday.

He spoke out after Liverpool’s announcement of a significant delay in its stadium plans for Stanley Park and the decision to hold a time-consuming public inquiry into Everton’s relocation to Kirkby.

Both Liverpool and Everton say a shared stadium is not on their agenda.

Mr Burnham said: “Obviously the situation has changed for both clubs, but it is for them to decide what represents the best way forward.

“Whatever they decide, the Department for Culture, Media and Sport would be available to help facilitate discussions and help the clubs explore the various routes.

“Obviously it is a continually moving situation and it is not right for me to express my preference either way.”

The Leigh MP, who is originally from Newton-le-Willows and went to school in St Helens, also reiterated his strong support of Share Liverpool’s plan for Reds fans to unite and buy the Anfield club.

He said: “It is a challenge, but the long-term goal of fans who want to buy clubs is to make them democratic and not for Sale.

“In my view, that is what a football club should be and I would definitely lend my support to that principle.”

Speaking at Anfield sport and community centre, Breckside Park, he praised the two clubs for becoming the first Premier League sides to collaborate in supporting the Kickz initiative.

The project gives young people in deprived areas the chance to attend three nights of sport a week at 25 specially-designated sites.

Mr Burnham added: “Two clubs of this size working together in the community is something you do not see every day.

“In the first year of Kickz, many players have been picked up by clubs and . . . that is a tangible result.”

THE leader of Sefton council said the authority was “bounced” into making a decision on Everton’s Kirkby plans.

Cllr Tony Robertson was critical of the short space of time councillors had to react to the proposal and said it was “sad” people accused Sefton of being opposed to the stadium or Kirkby’s regeneration.

He said the council had never expressed a view about Everton’s stadium and where it should be - and the issue was the linked Tesco-led shopping district, which councillors were told would have an effect on shopping areas from Aintree to Southport.



what do you think about Everton and Liverpool shareing stadium think

i dont think it will work no


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#255192 - 5th Sep 2008 12:47pm Re: shared Everton and Liverpool stadium [Re: ]
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the only thing that would stop a shared stadium from working is fans getting all whiny about it! its probabaly the best plan they are left with plus you would get all the fans that never go near a match whining like a lot of blues giving it the "ooh i dont wanna go to kirby" even though the nearest they have been to Goodison, was watching Ian play for Tranmere!
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#255194 - 5th Sep 2008 12:51pm Re: shared Everton and Liverpool stadium [Re: Sir_longmong]
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As evertonian i would have no problem sharing in fact when you look at all the hassles both clubs seem to be having which all come down to finance it seems the logical solution
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#255196 - 5th Sep 2008 2:18pm Re: shared Everton and Liverpool stadium [Re: jonno40]
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I'm a Liverpool fan who thinks a groundshare would be to the detriment of both teams. I appreciate that Everton are finding it difficult to find new investment in the club, but this scheme has been dead in the water a few times... only to be revived in desperation.

You might have noticed the boardroom shenannigans at Anfield over recent seasons. The clubs was sold to a couple of american 'playas' because Moores didn't have the money to invest in a new stadium for Liverpool, which has subsequently been delayed because of the credit crunch, (and more likely through boardroom lies and turmoil).
Why would we go through all this nonsense only to abandon or plans in favour of a faceless, soulless amenity. The identity of both teams would be diluted, and I'm afraid to say more so Everton's because of their weaker financial position and lower global media profile.
The Premier league is a massive global business these days, which was set upon this path by the partisan support from each teams supporters over many, many years. Each team needs it's own 'home', and identity and traditions.

I don't wish ill upon our blue neighbours but... get your own stadium will ya. mad

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#255241 - 5th Sep 2008 7:06pm Re: shared Everton and Liverpool stadium [Re: Shambo]
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sort of agree with that but two teams combined could get a stadium together to rival wembley. you could have a kop end used for visitors during an everton game and vice-versa but know what you mean about a clubs identity
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#255277 - 5th Sep 2008 9:07pm Re: shared Everton and Liverpool stadium [Re: rentaclown100]
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Thats what im on about. people go on about "identity" and "tradition" when that really is not that important, just ask any Leeds fan, all that matters is competing and if both clubs get stuck in their current lodgings how are they going to compete?

Tradition went out with the terracing and that killed the atmosphere in the stadiums!

Even the current plans would still be a "soulless arena" anyway, I havent yet been in a new stadium with atmosphere, even Wembley looks like a library!
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#255300 - 5th Sep 2008 10:02pm Re: shared Everton and Liverpool stadium [Re: Shambo]
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I don't wish ill upon our blue neighbours but... get your own stadium will ya. mad



raftl raftl raftl Am I correct in thinking it was our ground in the first place think surely it's the reds that need their own raftl

On a serious note though, not sure I'd want a shared ground. Having said that, I don't want a stadium without a soul either. As a Blue, I miss the way Goodison used to feel in the 80's let alone now.

It's a catch 22 situation. At this rate, neither team will have a stadium to play in! I suppose something has to give.
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#255331 - 6th Sep 2008 4:27am Re: shared Everton and Liverpool stadium [Re: Sir_longmong]
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Originally Posted By: Sir_longmong
Thats what im on about. people go on about "identity" and "tradition" when that really is not that important, just ask any Leeds fan, all that matters is competing and if both clubs get stuck in their current lodgings how are they going to compete?



Have a word with yourself. withthat
What are you on about?

"Identity" and "tradition" is very important. It's kinda the reason it makes so much money... in fact it the whole basis for professional football. US versus THEM. The identity of your team. The tribalism, the partisan support, the unquestioning love of your team. It arouses passions, fills stadia, promotes itself globally, television rights, ads, sponsorship, multi millonaire wages, multi billoinaire owners and...it sells shirts. think
That's not just good advertising selling those shirts.

I, with the greatest respect, don't give a flying £uck what a Leeds fan would think about anyones groundshare. Leeds fans or any others should be worrying about their own team. Their opinions don't come into it. Leeds isn't Liverpool and the comparison is insultingly laughable.

My opinion is that it'd be a disaster for both teams, for merseyside... and more so for Liverpool FC than Everton. hand

Paganjay I know Everton used to play at Anfield. I quite like the fact. It's a great story and a fascinating quirk in the rich footballing heritage of these local parts. Not something I'd feel embarrassed about, *try harder* wink . Some people in the UAE woud pay a fortune for sporting History like that.




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#255361 - 6th Sep 2008 6:52pm Re: shared Everton and Liverpool stadium [Re: Shambo]
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Had a word with myself and he backs me up!

I couldnt give one what people thought about "partisan support" and all the other romantic bollocks as long as my team where competing, I support Tranmere and would share a anew stadium with cammel lairds or birkenhead rugby club if it meant financial gain and cutting out a load of pissing about for my club!
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#255372 - 6th Sep 2008 7:35pm Re: shared Everton and Liverpool stadium [Re: Sir_longmong]
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Tranmere? You have my sympathy.

The red, white and blue teams round here might be playing the same game but Tranmere is a world away from the premiership. Liverpool and Everton are playing to a global audience.

If you'd be happy to leave Prenton Park and share a stadium then thats your look out. It doesn't relate to a Liverpool and Everton groundshare, unless maybe you'd like to share that too? Of course you would. That'd be great for your team, and I'd can be one of those 'whiney' dissenters who happens to think my team deserves it's own stadium.

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#255376 - 6th Sep 2008 7:53pm Re: shared Everton and Liverpool stadium [Re: Shambo]
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"and I'd can be one of those 'whiney' dissenters"

good call
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#255380 - 6th Sep 2008 8:06pm Re: shared Everton and Liverpool stadium [Re: Sir_longmong]
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Shhh. The big boys are talking football. Not being a fan of either team, I'm at a loss as to why you think you're got a valid opinion, nevermind label people who don't agree with it as whiney.


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#255398 - 6th Sep 2008 8:50pm Re: shared Everton and Liverpool stadium [Re: Shambo]
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ah the old "he doesnt support a premier league team what does he know?" well ill have you know I have an armchair to watch match of the day on too!


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#255404 - 6th Sep 2008 9:15pm Re: shared Everton and Liverpool stadium [Re: Shambo]
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Originally Posted By: Shambo
Shhh. The big boys are talking football. Not being a fan of either team, I'm at a loss as to why you think you're got a valid opinion, nevermind label people who don't agree with it as whiney.

dont believe everythin gary lineker an co tell you! all this bollox bout History an tradition... iv seen people who support liverpool all of a sudden,they had jus won the champions league funnily enough!bet u go to every game eh?

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#255409 - 6th Sep 2008 9:35pm Re: shared Everton and Liverpool stadium [Re: dave_g]
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hahaha. Am I not qualified to give this opinion? I was born a Liverpool supporter, my father was a supporter, grandfather, great grandfather. I don't go every game anymore, but I used to hold a season ticket and go home and away. I feel I'm entitled to express an opinion about the team I was raised to support, and your accusation that I'm some sort of glory hunting armchair fan is laughable, and shows you don't have a valid retort. If I claimed to be a fan and had never set foot in Anfield my entire life, my opinion on the matter would still count, whereas yours clearly do not.

Lets get back on topic shall we. Why the hell would a Tranmere fan call a Liverpool supporter who doesn't want to share a ground 'whiney'? Why? Are you jealous, a little bitter maybe? Perhaps you belive as a supporter of a lower league team you represent some sort of hard core common sense? That because your team isn't very succesfull that makes you a better football supporter? I suggest you restrain your idiocy and worry about your own team... let me worry about mine.

What sort of supporter thinks the traditions and identity of their team is aload of hype and bollix that should be jettisoned to save a few quid?

You've engaged your keyboard without thinking this through haven't you?

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