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#242193 - 8th Jul 2008 11:02pm Liscard Hall No More
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Cant believe that Liscard Hall has been burnt down.
I found a good quote that sums up the situation:

"This should be the final wake up call to this two-star council that things must change. Liscard Hall is part of Wallasey’s heritage but I’m afraid this seems to matter little nowadays with the people running our Council".

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http://leahfraser.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/liscard-hall-2/

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First thing this morning I received a phone call telling me that a fire had started in Liscard Hall at 3am.

While it looks like yobs are the cause of this fire, I’m afraid Wirral Council must also take some of the responsibility. The Council has allowed this building to fall into disrepair.

The problem started when the Government pulled the funding for the localapprentice training scheme that was using the building.

Ever since then, the Council has dithered in what to do with it – promises of ‘community use’ came to nothing and sadly, we can now see the result.

Then, in the last few months, we know that that private developers were looking at this building to turn it into private flats and community use and the Council, in the meantime spent £25,000 to make the building secure. Clearly, it wasn’t enough. Compare this to the £12m spent on Birkenhead’s Central Park.

This should be the final wake up call to this two-star council that things must change. Liscard Hall is part of Wallasey’s heritage but I’m afraid this seems to matter little nowadays with the people running our Council.


http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/3196945.Blaze_rips_through_Hall/

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THE GRADE Two-listed Liscard Hall in Wallasey has been severely damaged in a night-time blaze.

Firefighters from across Wirral and Liverpool were called to tackle the fire shortly after 3.15am on Monday morning.

A roof collapsed in the former science and art college building in Central Park, Wallasey, as the council-owned building was engulfed in flames that spread across two of the three floors.

Five pumps and an aerial appliance were used in an effort to contain the spread. Crews managed to get the fire under control but were still there at 1pm that day damping the area down.

No-one was injured and police are investigating the cause.

Liscard Hall was built in the mid-19th century and is one of the longest surviving mansions built in that era. It closed in 1982 and has been vacant since.

Liscard councillor Leah Fraser, who was on hand to witness the damping down on Monday, said: “While it looks like yobs are the cause of this fire, I’m afraid the council must also take some of the responsibility. The council has allowed this building to fall into disrepair. “The problem started when the Government pulled funding for the local apprentice training scheme that was using the building. Ever since then, the council has dithered in what to do with it – promises of ‘community use’ came to nothing and sadly, we can now see the result. “Then, in the last few months, we have learned that private developers were looking at this building to turn it into private flats and the council, in the meantime spent £25,000 to make the building secure.”

A spokesman for Wirral Council said: “Following incidents of vandalism, council officers took advice on improving the security of the hall. As a result, all reasonable steps have been taken to secure the building. We remain hopeful of presenting proposals to councillors in August on the hall’s future.”


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#242209 - 9th Jul 2008 12:08am Re: Liscard Hall No More [Re: Doctor_Frick]
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#242298 - 9th Jul 2008 4:53pm Re: Liscard Hall No More [Re: Mark]
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Nice Pics... The council are a gang of plant pots !


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#242768 - 12th Jul 2008 9:01pm Re: Liscard Hall No More [Re: Doctor_Frick]
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Taken from http://www.newbrightonwalrus.org.uk/liscardhall.php

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Until the beginning of the nineteenth century Wallasey was a sparsely inhabited district, consisting of green fields and lanes with wind-swept sand dunes and marshlands. Owing to the Industrial Revolution the population of the manufacturing north of England grew rapidly and by 1831 the inhabitants of Wallasey numbered 2,737, the increase being partly due to an influx of Liverpool business men who found it a pleasant residential area.

In 1835 during the reign of William IV Liscard Hall was built by one of these successful businessmen Sir John Tobin. The piece of land where it still stands was originally owned by the Prior of Birkenhead, one field being called Moorhey and another called and another Middle Moorhey. Sir John bought the land from F.R.Price, Esq., of Bryn-y-pys and the house was initially called "Moor Heys House".

Sir John Tobin was a member of an influential family in the Isle of Man. He was born in 1762 to Patrick Tobin and was baptised at Kirk Braddan Church on 30th October 1763. He went to sea at an early age as an apprentice in a merchant vessel and on his very first voyage was captured by a French privateer. Fortunately for him his father knew the Master, who released him.

When he became a master mariner in 1793 Britain was still at war with France and he took command of the privateer Gipsy. In 1797 he became master of the privateer Molly, which could carry a complement of 436 slaves. As these ships were both privateers and slavers he spent his years as a master shipping slaves across the Atlantic and occasionally attacking enemy vessels. He captured three French ships, each of which carried valuable cargoes, which included slaves.

In 1789 he married the daughter of James Aspinall, a Liverpool merchant and lived at Oak Hill Park in Old Swan. He had one son John and three daughters.

Preying on enemy shipping made him a rich man and he retired from the sea at the age of forty to become a merchant in Liverpool, where he continued the lucrative business of privateering and slaving until it was abolished in 1807. He acquired a fair amount of land in Wallasey. In 1809 he was one of the promoters of an Act to enclose common wastelands in the area.

As a successful businessman he interested himself in public affairs becoming Mayor of Liverpool in 1819 and was knighted by George IV at Carlton House on 10th May 1820. It was said that he received this knighthood for having written a joint letter of condolence on the death of George III and congratulations on the accession to the throne. (The power of the written word!)

In 1823 Sir John quarrelled with one of the two Parry brothers, lessees of Seacombe Ferry. The quarrel came to a personal encounter and was taken to the courts.

In 1828 he bought land on the banks of Wallasey Pool. On 10th November 1830 he gave 7,000 square yards of this land and £1000 towards the building of St.John's Church. In return for this gift Sir John was accorded the right of presentation of the first minister. At the age of 24 his son, Rev.John Tobin, had been a curate for a few months in Burnley, with little experience of parochial work, was appointed the first minister. His only obligations were to conduct a minimum number of services and visit the sick. The pews in St.John's Church were sold and all seats not let were kept locked.

In 1833 Sir John built Liscard House for his son on what is now Eaton Avenue and Ferndale Avenue. It was approached along a broad carriage-drive now occupied by Chatsworth Avenue, entered between classical gateposts known as Tobin's Gates. Rev. John Tobin was a corpulent man. On one occasion he crossed the river on a ferryboat, which was crowded with trippers from Lancashire. As they boarded the rickety gangplanks one of the trippers was heard to say, "Wait a minute and let that fat chap go first. If it bears him, it will be safe for us".

Moor Heys House was built in 1835. Now called Liscard Hall the building still standing is in the neo-classical style, five bays by six bays, with pillared porch and pediment roof. The site stands high and must have looked over fine views of the surrounding countryside. Sir John also had a fishing lodge at the very edge of the river, at a spot called Codling Gap. Opposite here he moored his yacht, which he used to cross the river in preference to using the ferryboats. Lady Tobin always kept a telescope in a room at the Hall, the window of which commanded a view of the river, so that when it was stormy she could watch the boat crossing, and seeing her husband's safe arrival, be relieved of her anxiety at the earliest possible moment.

One of their daughters became Mrs James Cockshott; the second became Mrs Reddie the wife of the Governor of the Isle of Man. The third daughter Margaret (who had seven other Christian names) married Harold Littledale. Mr Littledale created the Model Farm in what is now Rullerton Road. To quote from the History of Wirral by Mortimer, "The model farm of this Gentleman is unquestionably one of the greatest lions of the day, as is proved by its being almost daily visited by everyone who takes an interest in agriculture…. There are one hundred stalls for cows, as well ventilated as Her Majesty's stables at Buckingham Palace……. The dairy contains a marble fountain, which would put to shame those exquisite specimens of national taste recently erected in Trafalgar Square……"

Sir John was the builder and owner of the Great Liverpool 1,150-ton steamship launched in 1838 and then considered a marvel in naval architecture, with 461 horse power. He died on 27th February 1851 and is buried in St.John's churchyard. The tomb can still be seen on the north side of the church. Captain Scoresby, commander of the arctic whaler Baffin, after surveying the coast of Greenland, honoured him by naming Cape Tobin after him.

Liscard Hall was passed down to his son-in-law Harold Littledale, who died in 1889. His fortunes were adversely affected by speculating on the cotton market. Harold's son wanted to marry his cousin (Sir John Tobin's grand-daughter), but as his father objected, he became a recluse at the Hall. He also died in 1889 and is buried in St.Hilary's graveyard.

After Harold Littledale died the Hall plus grounds were purchased by the Wallasey Local Board and opened to the public. The grounds became known as Central Park and were consolidated in 57 acres around the buildings. Since the Enclosure Act of 1809 there were very few open spaces accessible to the public so this was the first major acquisition.

The Hall was later developed as the School of Art as part Wallasey College of Further Education. Between the wars the numbers of students increased from 23 in 1925 to 27 in 1938. The number of students enrolled dropped sharply during World War II. The Home Guard HQ shared the accommodation and some of its members were induced to become students at the school.

The Grade II listed building later became Wirral Metropolitan College then Serve Wirral Trust.

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#244535 - 24th Jul 2008 12:53am Re: Liscard Hall No More [Re: BigBadStuey]
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#245341 - 31st Jul 2008 12:21am Re: Liscard Hall No More [Re: rentaclown100]
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I just found this in the Wirral News

Wirral Council to consider rebuilding fire-destroyed Liscard Hall
Jul 30 2008 by Carrie Catterall, Wallasey News


liscard hall

WIRRAL Council is applying for retrospective planning permission after demolishing Liscard Hall without the correct consent.

The Grade II-listed building was thought to be deliberately set on fire on July 7 at 3.13am, leaving it so structurally unsound that engineers declared it unsafe.

As a result, the council made the decision to bulldoze the former art school without permission.

This incident came months before the council was due to choose a developer to bring the majestic building, empty since March 2003, back into use.

Liscard councillor Leah Fraser said: “I still think this building was knocked down too quickly - it wasn’t safe but I do believe parts of it could have been saved.

“That, however, is the past now and we must look to the future.”

A Wirral Council spokesman said: “Officers from the authority are continuing to evaluate all options.

“The application for Listed Building Consent will be accompanied by surveyor’s evidence on the condition of the building at the time of demolition.”

Seacombe councillor John Salter said: “Before we make any decisions, planning permission will be needed and we will consult with the local area.

“We have asked insurers, building control people and all the councillors who are involved with Liscard Hall to get together in September and go through all the details.

“We are looking at rebuilding the hall with the same exterior and facilities - the interior will be different but our aim is to give the building back to the people.

“We do not want to grass over the site or build flats - I think this is very important for people to know.

“It’s now time to look forward and see what we can do with the site.

“What could originally have been a bad tragedy could now turn out to be OK.”


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#245360 - 31st Jul 2008 11:25am Re: Liscard Hall No More [Re: Handbag]
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Councillor Leah Fraser said chairs the department that looks after such things...... and is well rewarded.

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#245373 - 31st Jul 2008 2:05pm Re: Liscard Hall No More [Re: SolventFree]
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http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/letters/3559767.Councillor_should_say_sorry_after_fire/

if this is true it's absolutely SHOCKING!! I saw her on Northwest Tonight sayinbg that Wirral Council should be ashamed of themselves...


Edited by Handbag (31st Jul 2008 2:07pm)

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#246399 - 8th Aug 2008 8:42pm Re: Liscard Hall No More [Re: Handbag]
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LOL Don`t know if anyone heard but today a brand new JCB was working on this buildings site and it fell through the cellar.
Anyone get any pics?
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#246400 - 8th Aug 2008 8:49pm Re: Liscard Hall No More [Re: _Ste_]
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what time was that? we where there from 1pm till 3pm the monkey bars where chocker!
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#246402 - 8th Aug 2008 8:54pm Re: Liscard Hall No More [Re: TRANCENTRAL]
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Not to sure but i know one of the lads from MADD motors were there working on the said JCB.
Unfortanatly i was stuck in work frown
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#246403 - 8th Aug 2008 9:04pm Re: Liscard Hall No More [Re: _Ste_]
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thay say thay might build the place back up? saying that thay where still hard at work today on site!
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#246404 - 8th Aug 2008 9:22pm Re: Liscard Hall No More [Re: TRANCENTRAL]
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Yeah, that would be a sight to see, they say it will be exactly the same only the interiour will be more modern!
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#246406 - 8th Aug 2008 9:31pm Re: Liscard Hall No More [Re: _Ste_]
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sounds all good then!
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#246436 - 8th Aug 2008 11:43pm Re: Liscard Hall No More [Re: TRANCENTRAL]
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sounds all good then!


Isnt it?
Isnt it just?
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