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#190832 - 30th Dec 2007 10:05pm Noctorum
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Strange name; anyone know where it came from? I always think it sounds Latin, probably because of the ending -orum; second declension plural, genitive, (meaning 'of the' or 'belonging to'), but the root (noct) has me foxed. the nearest I can come is Noctis, meaning 'nights', but that is third declension, not second.

Sorry, I'm rambling again, but I'd really like to know.
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#190833 - 30th Dec 2007 10:13pm Re: Noctorum [Re: chriskay]
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Sorry Chris. My latin grammar only went as far as... Caesar hadsum jam forte !

Sorry - I'll get my coat.

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#190835 - 30th Dec 2007 10:27pm Re: Noctorum [Re: ]
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Sorry Chris. My latin grammar only went as far as... Caesar hadsum jam forte !

Sorry - I'll get my coat.


Fat lot of use you are then thumbsdown
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#190836 - 30th Dec 2007 10:31pm Re: Noctorum [Re: chriskay]
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Noctorum is actually viking from the meaning Cnocc Trimm which means "Dry Hill" smile hope that helps.. happy
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#190839 - 30th Dec 2007 10:59pm Re: Noctorum [Re: SoundLad]
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Wow, thanks for that thumbsup
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#190840 - 31st Dec 2007 12:18am Re: Noctorum [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Pinzgauer
Caesar hadsum jam forte !

raftl took me a while to work it out
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#190848 - 31st Dec 2007 7:31am Re: Noctorum [Re: BMW Joe]
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Interesting Lee, cheers!

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#190891 - 31st Dec 2007 8:19pm Re: Noctorum [Re: MattLFC]
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On a slightly related note, take a look at this:
http://tinyurl.com/38cter

This band was formed by Marty Willson-Piper of Aussie band The Church.

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#391779 - 27th Feb 2010 4:55pm Re: Noctorum [Re: philmch]
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Another version (I think !) is Chinotrie - there is a short turn off from Noctorum Road

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#391963 - 28th Feb 2010 3:02pm Re: Noctorum [Re: atw1960]
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"Dry Hill" has a wiff of Stephen Harding about it to me. Chenotrie was the area supposedly mentioned in Domesday, and the changes in name can be traced through documents until its blending into today's Noctorum.

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#391994 - 28th Feb 2010 5:40pm Re: Noctorum [Re: Archaeo]
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After the 1066 invasion, King William gave pieces of land, including Chenoterie (Noctorum) to Willelmus of Malbedeng. The Domesday entry records that in 1086 -
"The same W. (Willelmus) holds Chenoterie, Ricardus holds from him, Colbertus held it, he was a free man. There is half a hide paying tax. Land for one plough which is there, in lordship, with two ploughmen, two villagers. The value was 15s., now 10s., it was waste."


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#391998 - 28th Feb 2010 5:49pm Re: Noctorum [Re: greasby_lad]
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I'd love to know how we got from "Chenotrie" to "Noctorum". They look so different.
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#392003 - 28th Feb 2010 6:26pm Re: Noctorum [Re: chriskay]
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I live in Noctorum and I thought it was a norse name???
Also, Chinitorie is on the doomsday book and one of its former owners were part of the Cadbury family!

Would be interesting if anybody else had information about noctorum....

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#392334 - 2nd Mar 2010 8:28am Re: Noctorum [Re: ]
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I went and Googled Chinitorie and all I got was Pinz's latin phrase.Ceasar gotjam forte.

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#392338 - 2nd Mar 2010 8:54am Re: Noctorum [Re: mindplayer]
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Put in Chenoterie, the spelling from the Domesday book, and you get this from the Liverpool Museum:

PLACENAME: Chenoterie (first mentioned 1086 in the Domesday Book). Hill-town. From Old Irish noc or cnocc meaning a hill or dry hill. Cenoctirum 1119; Knoutyrom 1286; Knettyrom 1377; Knocktor 1546. The first edition six inch Ordnance Survey map (1850) shows both Chenotrie and Noctorum.

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